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  • Can someone explain a couple of things to me?

    Why does opposing a war in Ukraine/calling for all parties to work towards de-escalation mean you support Putin?

    Why is this debate being had in the Corbyn thread? Starmer is the one who's attacked STW, and the post above was their response to him (perhaps that's why there's "only ten words" on Putin in the piece).

    It feels like a sign of the postmodern/post-truth era that failure to show moral relativism and pragmatism is, ironically, taken to be a moral failing.

  • This whole thing is a mix of semantics and PR.

    But this;

    Why does opposing a war in Ukraine/calling for all parties to work towards de-escalation mean you support Putin?

    is not what Starmer is referencing. The context is;

    His comments, in an article for The Guardian, came as Corbyn addressed a Stop The War rally in London titled “No war in Ukraine - Stop NATO expansion.”

    It's in the Corbyn thread because it's a slight derail from Corbyn speaking at the rally and because he's the deputy president of the Stop the War coalition.

    I guess you could also say it forms part of one of the many problems with Corbyn. Personally I voted for him based on the manifesto - in particular the green policies and small business policies. However, to be frank, I was always concerned by his risk to national security. Ironically, I weighed up Johnson as likely to be a greater risk.

  • is not what Starmer is referencing. The context is;

    Sorry, posted another response before yours, but I dropped in a couple of Starmer quotes that seem to be insinuating opposition to war is support for Russia in one form or another.

    It's in the Corbyn thread because it's a slight derail from Corbyn speaking at the rally and because he's the deputy president of the Stop the War coalition.

    Anyone actually heard/seen/read what he said? I've not. Instead we've got a guilty by association situation (not a new criticism of Corbyn, tbf). But in this case, I don't think being affiliated with STW is anything anyone should be embarrassed about (at the moment - if they did come out supporting Russian aggression I'd reformulate my position).

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