FS: Range Rover Evoque 2.0

I've spent an awful lot of money in the past year or so putting together a touring bike that's unlikely to get past Monmouth Coffee at Borough Market

In bikepacking terms I think this qualifies as a micro-tour anyway.

In bikepacking terms I think this qualifies as a micro-tour anyway.

When I go bikepacking, I ride to Monmouth but brew my own coffee outside on a primus stove.

Yeah I see that as a standard truck. The lifestyle flatbeds are in a different category. They are part of a lineage including the Evoque. Probably began with estates / small SUV(?). Finishing somewhere with military tank (Tesla cybertruck?) Popping to do the week's shop.

We already have the ULEZ and congestion charge. Introducing a larger fee for vehicles over a certain size would be relatively easy to do. I understand that Japan has legislation to promote very small cars to ease congestion.

We, (as a progressive society),
must be able to differentiate between working trucks with rear leaf springs,
and overweight suburban playthings with passenger vehicle suspension.

We live in the land of truth, and in the land of truth the man with one fact is King. And that fact is the UK automotive industry had £82 billion in turnover. Those people will do anything to protect short term profits.

But you live on a farm and can use the pick up for farm stuff, you aren’t a city based software designer or a dentist who has one on the company books

Canny believe this has got 17 pages geez.

This thread has become what I was this was intended to be:

https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/371258/#comment16359979

will then get taxed who shouldn't be.

Why shouldn't it be? It's a big car, tax it as one.
Want to save tax, find an alternative to carting everything around in a big truck.

Banning their use in cities would be progressive. But who has the government with balls enough to do that?

I’m all ears as to alternative ways to take farm supplies from the store to the farm, not sure bales of straw will fit on the back of a cargo bike…

I’m all for banning them in cities, seems a logical step to me.

This is a decent idea, but no idea how you would enforce it. I actually have a silly, massive 4x4, but live outside of the UK and only really use it for applications where it's needed (away from metaled roads). It is the most basic interior you could possibly imagine, and there is no way anybody would ever consider getting one as a fashion accessory. There are several models out there that only come in this 'basic' version to appeal to farmers etc. It guzzles fuel, has high emissions and is a little fragile due to age, so I really try to not use it unless I really have to. We have a little car for 95% of driving.

It really annoys me how many people are buying Raptors/Land Cruisers/Wranglers/FJs when they just don't go off road at all/very rarely. The problem is that they are all so comfortable now with all features you would find on regular cars, and the driving position somehow gives people more confidence when driving. If you could only buy a basic version with no leather/luxury interior etc, I'm sure people would reconsider. I visited the UK for the first time in a while at Christmas, and was shocked at how many 'proper' SUVs (Jeeps/pickups etc) there were on the roads. A bizarre trend.

Maybe ramping up fuel/emissions/carbon tax is the way to deal with it.

I will have to add this to @6pt and my list of Reuben shops.

Bit of a trek for me now :( I’ve got these locally to scratch the itch for next time you’re passing through
Hamper
Spengler

For a bunch of reasons, many of which have been stated by @Sam_w.

The farm has a Quad, a Pick-up, and a LR. The LR is good, but fails when you don't have a trailer, the Quad is great when the ground is sopping wet, and you have the trailer. The pickup, just works.
I would say nearly all the actual farmers round that part of Devon have one, and its because of their insane practicality. Giving what is essentially a tiny tax break to farmers who have to survive on tiny margins, does not seem unreasonable to me.

I know farms managed plenty well in the past with smaller cars, but the scale, size and demands of farms these days does not allow for that halcyonian world.

The other point- that Pickups are off-road vehicles is erroneous as well, they are cars, with a functional flat bed, open air, extendable load bay, that can easily be adapted for use across building, farming and other uses, and that flexibility is why they are popular.
Putting them into an category with SUV/unnecessary 4x4 is a short-sighted, city focused, white-collar view of the world, for those who can afford the 'greener' alternatives.
(of which, there are none that are practicable for the use-cases above.)

Signed, a short-sighted, city-focused, white-collar cunt.

I tried the one round the corner from me and was so disappointed.
The quest continues!

Has this sold?

I think it sold about a month ago on auto trader.

I'm not suggesting having two vehicles (although lets be honest, most farms have plenty so it's probably a non-issue). The point is, having a tax break for a vehicle that does more damage, no matter if it's used for work, shouldn't happen. Use a tractor with a trailer on the farm, use a ute that weighs the same as a car for your 'supplies' (which it appears is what you already have, it's not like you're in a massive twincab). No massive vehicles on the road, no tax "hit".

Tractors are not as functional as you'd (generalised you) like them to be. And they're crazy expensive, both to own and maintain.

Maybe ramping up fuel/emissions/carbon tax is the way to deal with it.

If you can afford one of these monster trucks you can afford the piddly token tax hike the government MIGHT implement. Fuel duty has been frozen for, what, 12 years now? So it's clear the government want no part in upping the price of fuel, even as the world burns.

Yeah, but a lot of farms already have them. Same as the utes above. It's the new stuff that would be impacted by 'proper' taxing so it doesn't impact any of these.

Isn't fuel a tax writeoff for farmers already? Why have a separate tax break on the vehicle?

Also, if they did still want the tax break, it's easy to categorise 'flat bed work truck' vs. Chelsea Tractor and tax accordingly.

Personally, I'd nuke everything and start again from cockroaches. It's the only safe way.

It does seem strange that the tax break on the vehicle is for everyone. Couldn't you be required to sign a declaration that the vehicle is for agricultural use and commit to only using it for such purposes, before being offered the tax break? I would think most people would stop short of tax fraud at that point.

HMRC know what work you do - so it should be pretty obvious without needing to declare "i'm throwing hay about"

Also, how prevalent is ANPR / numberplate recognition? Just wire that shit up so if anything over 1tonne arrives within M25 you get a £500 bill sent out.