FS: Range Rover Evoque 2.0

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It's not the Yaris hatchback, it's the Cross, which is an SUV type body on the Yaris chassis.

ah, that makes it okay then

No, just pointing out that the hatch hasn't got that big...yet. I suppose some defense is that it's really just a hatchback on stilts and at the smaller end of the scale. But no, certainly not helping halt big car syndrome.

An enjoyable few minutes of car stupidity!

Do you mean pick up trucks? Apparently that's due to successful lobbying to get them favourable tax status.
https://www.lfgss.com/comments/16325097/

The Autotrader article in that link genuinely makes me feel very sad.

Suggesting that those pickups are good for families because they are rugged, and great for outdoors lovers because they have off-road capability is absurd.

This para is a particularly depressing one:

For example, compare a high-spec Nissan Navara with a low-spec Land Rover Discovery Sport, and they cost around the same on list price. However, despite the fact the Navara kicks out way more CO2, your tax bills will be less than half of what you’ll pay on the Land Rover. If you’re a 40% taxpayer, that’s a saving of thousands, rather than hundreds.

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Perfect little runaround for a bit shopping around Mayfair
https://youtu.be/e4Ds63F7GNM

Yep loads of people with no viable reason for getting a full on child killer pick up are getting them as company cars. This is causing some amusement round our way as they are commercial diesels and are so liable for lots of CAZ charges when ever they drive through the city centre

I was thinking this, but maybe I am imagining them that big.

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Ford rangers are the most popular car for years here in nz. It's fuckin ridiculous, most of then drive on a gravel road once a year, a gravel road that can be easily driven in a yaris.
People are selfish wankers

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What's kind of interesting to me about the Pick Up Truck thing is sometimes these things feel like some kind of inevitable problem with human behaviour, selfish people, acting in their own interests etc.

But the problem didn't exist here until they introduced those tax breaks. It's almost purely an issue with legislation. You could obviously argue that the legislation only passed because of inevitable problems with human behaviour... but that makes me even more depressed.

I remember my folks driving us up to scotland in a mushy-pea green astra. About 16 hours over two days, No seatbelts, four kids in the back, rammed with stuff and must have maxed out at about 50mph. Pile a few sleeping bags in the footwell and have a sleep when needed. Simpler times, better times in many ways. Apart from if we'd crashed, in which case every one of us kids would have been killed or at best badly maimed. Good times though.

Ford rangers

Ford ranger type vehicles are like some kind of hellish White van man/BMW driver crossover for bad passes round this way. Just the absolute worst of both worlds.

It's a terrible irony that these trucks and SUVs are marketed as adventure vehicles for healthy outdoor type people - yet its these machines that do the most damage to the outdoors that these people are aspiring to go to.

Must be some fascinating psychology studies on this, about why people buy these machines. "I live in town, but I have an SUV/pickup because at heart I'm a fun, healthy, outdoorsy adventurous type person and want to show that in the Tesco car park... etc etc

If they weren't all in on the game, that would be a great ad campaign for an alternative small electric car.

I remember when i was young we loved all cramming in my dads little mini for years then he moved on to a 4 door austin it was great growing up in the 70s no big cars in our family. Here's a Picture that remind me off my youth.

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I suppose that’s the power of advertising/marketing (and/or the stupidity of people).

I guess it’s similar to how Audi market the Allroad, Skoda the Scout etc to real outdoors enthusiasts who need a more off-road capable vehicle for parking in that Forestry Commission car park for their epic 40 minute pootle. Don’t even get me started on those VW Transporter cunts that insist on fitting the biggest B F Goodrich tyres they possible can…

As an owner of a pick up truck, figured I would stick my hand up.

I live on a farm, so it is used for its intended purpose, of which it is unmatched in it's ability.

The tax break thing is really not an easy thing to solve. Pick up trucks are classed technically as vans, and have historically been used by builders and farmers to cart 1 tonne loads around, as they are really useful to do this.

There seems to be two ways to remove the tax break;

1. Reclassify pickup trucks as non commerical vehicles, but that means that there are plenty of legitimate users who will then get taxed who shouldn't be.
   
2. Somehow check that the people driving the vehicle are using it for a legitimate reason, but who is going to set what a legit reason is and then police it?
   

Or just stop the advertising/promotion of them as anything other than agricultural machinery?

I work in advertising, and work on motor brands, they amount of purchase decisions driven by advertising in this sector is tiny, so I don't think it would make a difference at all.

One thing that could be done would be take them back to being more basic vehicles, take away a lot of bells and whistles and they would be less appealing to families, but no idea how that could be made to happen.

Give them a maximum speed of 40mph?