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Unrelated to your discussion but spotted you were Polish or in Poland and noted these guys on my twitter feed the other day: https://bikepacking.com/news/2022-rondo-ruut-x/
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I know them very well, but Ruut is quite racey and I don't think it fits mudguards at all. Bogan would be more interesting for me, but again, Apex 1 with 11-42 cassette and mechanical brakes just doesn't cut it for me. For flatter areas sure, but now that I have moved to the south of Poland, it's much more mountainous here.
I could make my Equilibrium more fitting, but with SS cage rear mech I wouldn't gain much lower gears without swapping entire drivetrain.
I have explored these bikes already, my main problem is either availability or costs - Pipedream finally has revised the geo and has proper 70 mm BB drop, but just the frameset would be 66% price of used Trek 920 that I could buy (let alone if customs add some toll for shipping to Poland). Adding any decent wheels and hydro drivetrain would make it cost even more. I have been attracted by Sutra for a long long time, but basically since 2020 the only ones I have seen available in Poland or second-hand in my size were the basic SE alloy ones.