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• #69852
That is a strong argument.
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• #69853
But was that because they were so pissed off with labour for Iraq/Afghan war, or is it because as you get older you become a gammon?
I feel like I identify with labour/greens and wouldn’t consider conservatives as an option, they’re all cunts and have been for a long time.
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• #69854
And will always be
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• #69855
It definitely did take place and there should definitely be sanctions. The PPS who organised must lose his job and I'd also fine anyone who was there - same as Joe Public got for organising and attending parties at the time.
My point is that Johnson is going to wheedle out of this by saying it was all their fault and (as in the suitcase party) that he wasn't even in London, rather than taking the blame as the head of government. The Gray report will say that the cabinet office has a drink & party culture problem and some more expendable heads will roll with Johnson coming out of it having got rid of the bad apples that he was shocked - shocked i tell you - to find were behaving this way. -
• #69856
Boris can apologise to the Queen for having a party the night before the cretinous racists funeral, but only lied consistently about parties to anyone else. Interesting
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• #69857
The current working-age population might defy the historic pattern, but I am not sure why that would be the case.
That's the Tories current challenge summed up, and Labour's to be fair.
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• #69858
No.10 spokesperson confirmed earlier that they had apologised but when asked what they had apologised for said they couldn't discuss
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• #69859
I think the data shows that people become more likely to vote Conservative as they get older, and that trend is pretty consistent over time.
It's suggested that income / wealth is a confounding factor - As people get older, they get richer, and they are all greedy fucks that then vote for their own best interests.
The older / righter paradigm might fall apart if people aren't getting better off as the age.
So all the Tories need to do is not austerity everyone to death too much, and leave them with just enough folding to want to vote for the wosrtcunt in the room.
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• #69860
Noncequences
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• #69861
but was too young to realise the significance.
I think there were plenty of others who failed to see what was going on. It seems to me that much of the media coverage of these events is intended to obscure the truth rather than to explain it.
It seems to be generally agreed by those who have experience of Westminster that 'Yes Minister' was a good explanation of how things worked, and I've heard that the Iron Lady herself loved it. I put this in the past tense because it seems that Johnson and Cummings between them got rid of a lot of the 'mandarins', which is partly why they're in so much trouble now. When Hacker agreed to a public enquiry into some problem he was responsible for, he justified his agreement by saying: 'a drowning man will clutch at a straw'. Humphrey (the mandarin) came back with 'That wasn't a straw, Minister, it was a rope!' Which will probably be the outcome of the present party enquiry.
Now Humphrey is at home in Hazlemere and not helping ministers out of their stupid mistakes.
Another insight can be found in Hilaire Belloc's cautionary tale 'Lord Lundy'.
Lundy was put into politics by his powerful family, but was a failure because he kept bursting into tears, causing him to sink from Foreign Secretary to Curator of Big Ben. At this point he is summoned into the presence of his Grandfather (a Duke) who addressed him thus:'Sir! You have disappointed us!
We had intended you to be
The next Prime Minister but three:
The stocks were sold; the press was squared;
The middle class was quite prepared.
But as it is ....My language fails!
Go out and govern New South Wales!Yes, my point is that the tories won't allow him to run again.
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• #69862
I have three life long Conservative voters who are pensioners in my family who have vowed never to vote Conservative again, based on Brexit implementation and lack of integrity, honesty and standards in Government.
From what I have read, lots of older Tories are furious with this government. The problem is that they might not be furious enough to vote for Kier Starmer.
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• #69863
Recent new Statesman podcast was pondering the possible
'disaffected Tories voting Green' effect on local elections.
Maybe grandparents voting for a future for grandkids? -
• #69864
Tories thinking past the end of their own nose? Give over.
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• #69865
Realise it seems implausible,
and,
perhaps I am trusting that there exist old fashioned One Nation Tories,
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• #69866
The problem is that they might not be furious enough to vote for Kier Starmer.
True, but low turnout if they abstain still hurts the Tories (just only 50% as much as voting for someone else)
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• #69867
I would take Gary Neville as PM tomorrow over any active politician in the country, and I am not even joking
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• #69868
Big Neville Southall is the people's choice.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jun/04/neville-southall-flak-sex-workers-lgbt-issues
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• #69869
joins Labour Party
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• #69870
Passes the red wall pint test
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• #69871
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• #69872
Hid in a fridge, not set to be brought down by a fridge.
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• #69874
He has been a massive critic of the cunts running the country for a while. Never liked him as a Man U player (because he was a Man U player) but have a new found respect for him.
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• #69875
The way Cummings, for I assume he's behind this, is drip feeding the media evidence is just masterful.
Because we can't afford houses