Cargo Bikes

i'd go with external gears and save my money; derailleur looks well protected from sideways falls and being stuck in the wrong gear is less of an issue when you've got a motor to muscle your way out.

I am going to test ride both tomorrow; derailleur and rohloff and then decide.

Can a Shimano hub gear be fitted to an envilio frame?

Erm, what?

Fuckfuckfuck

Any r & m dealers on here?

I've done 600 miles on a bullit with the 5 speed Shimano and have been happy with it. Never have to think about it really.

Electric enviolo does for sure. Don’t know about manual enviolo.

Is the storm box crucial? If not you could consider waiting for the new moustache lundi or the supposedly incoming (according the German cargo bike forum) r&m multitinker, which I think is basically a long tail tinker/smaller wheeled multicharger.

Yeah shimano is fine in certain cases, is your bullitt electric?

I think it depends so much on the weight of the bike, if it’s used in a hilly area and the power / torque put through the drivetrain. The heavier and more powerful the cargo bike the more robust the IGH needs to be.

a plus of using enviolo and Rohloff is there is no hub flange offset, so spokes are the same length and it builds into a stronger more reliable wheel. The shifting is also not really reliant on cable tension which is good from a maintenance perspective… Also if the cable snaps you can set it manually into an ideal gear.

Some bike weights and capacities-

Bullitt max total weight 180kg

Tern 200kg

UA XL 250kg.- I know from experience that Enviolo will fail and quite quickly if using the bike at its capacity in non flat areas.

If I was in Amey’s shoes I’d prob go for the external drive train. I don’t think he needs to spend that premium on the E rohloff… but he knows better what he does or doesn’t need :-)

I have a loaner electric bullit. For my use I don't need a massive gear range or small jumps between the gears, I'll mostly be carrying 1 or 2 kids, i have averaged 11mph and it's not hilly around Woking. Road and paths are shocking quality. There is a distinct possibility that I am a masher who's limited power combined with a motor will chew up something that needs a bit of babying.

Think most R+M, Douze, Bullitt, Tern and others are all on the 180kg train weight limit now, some EU directive or traffic regulation issue within some European countries so they moved all of them from 200 kg category to the 180 kg category. Even though the actual bikes are quite happy moving more than that. UAXL is one big puppy though, think the UA Tender gets a 350kg limit sticker? Basically a van at that point, but defo quicker around town than a van :P

Other aspect with IGH, most bikes I've come across with an IGH fitted are geared way too high. Bullitt with Nexus 5 for example is in the 50-130" range, which is fine for the flatlands, but where we are, you'll never use 5th, barely use 4th unless you like a low cadence, and wish you had at least 1 gear below 1st. With a regular chain you can put a smaller chainring on it, though sometimes becomes a warranty issue as you are then transmitting more torque to the IGH than it was designed for (Alfine + Nexus have quite low limits I think compared to Rohloff and other higher end hubs).

had a go on both terns; the gear cable routing and absolutely no access to chain pushed me to belt drive and e14. Deposit paid, should be able to collect next week.

the deore one looked like a nightmare to ‘work on’

unrelated but gen 4 cargo line is crazy good

also had a go on a load 60, fun bike

Seen this?

https://twitter.com/iambrianjones/status/1479448335689953290

Yes!!!

Finally got round to putting the box together, really snug joints, it's very sturdy and without glueing or screwing.

Going to coat it with epoxy sealer and then paint it.

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I'd glue and screw it.

I have one and I have only screwed it. There are the occasional squeaks when we bump into things.

No, the whole idea of it is that the sides are held on with a ratchet strap so you can drop the side and carry wider / bigger loads

Any r & m dealers on here?

My shop is.

had a go on both terns; the gear cable routing and absolutely no access to chain pushed me to belt drive and e14. Deposit paid, should be able to collect next week.

the deore one looked like a nightmare to ‘work on’

Congrats. Bit of unsolicited advice - mark the Rohloff lockring when you get it and check it after a couple of days of riding. If it's moved, remove and reinstall it with blue loctite.

Rohloff lockring

thing that holds the cog?

I am still not sure how to slacken the belt to take the wheel out lol

Wow congrats ! Went for it!!

Yeah, that thing (8538.) You won't need to slacken the belt to drop the wheel.

Realizing now you need special tools to remove the lockring (belt whip and lockring tool) so I guess if it loosens, take it to your LBS and have them do the thing.