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I think i've covered this quite a bit but...The definition of a vaccine is something that provides immunity against a disease. These don't do that! reduction in hospitalisation is fine and useful for the vulnerable but not necessarily the right choice long term for the young and healthy.
The flu jab is only offered to the old and vulnerable which reiterates my point. This is off the top of my head so might be wrong but I think the flu jab only offers protection for about 3 months and even then it is only about 30% effective.
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the flu jab is given to schoolchildren in this country as well as free to the over 50’s lots of workplaces do it for free (for any age)
the only option for the unvaccinated is protection by natural infection which carries it’s own risks, even then you are more likely to catch it again than if you were vaccinated.
then there is the other societal issues of being infected as we are seeing play out right now, imagine if hardly anyone was vaccinated? the US is about to show us what happens when your vaccination is patchy.
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The definition of a vaccine is something that provides immunity against a disease: But then you go and say the flu jab isn't perfect.
But we still give it to certain groups (older/some health issues) Em, does that not defeat your own argument? :)
RE not vaccinating younger people: You are not mentioning long covid, which doesn't happen much at all with the flu (post viral immune system problems can happen). And that happens with all ages. Some people get it for years.
As for wanting to lose your job, I am hoping it won't come to that. I have to say I don't agree with mandatory vaccination for work (testing/masking yes...)
But what is it you want to see? Just...part vaccination? Or one jab for 90% of people and boosters only?
What is your ideal outcome? (me? getting tired of being unable to travel to mainland Europe where family is, Brexit doesn't help there... I'd be happy if the rules relax. But with only 83% of people with one jab/ lack of tests / people behaving as if there's no virus EVEN with free tests...I don't know)
What are you will to do? Are you ok with masks/lfts?
Mr_Smyth
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Em, I am confused: These vaccines work against hospitalisation. Unfortunately, not as well against re-infection/spreading it as other vaccines.
If the argument is that vaccines aren't a 100%, perhaps cancel the flu jab as well?
"fear led"? Em...that all depends on what your goal is. Look, you think covid isn't that serious, you had it, you don't want the vaccine.
But campaigns deal with country-wide decisions, and having no jab is linked to a far higher risk of ending in hospital which as a country you may not want.
So if the goal is avoiding hospitalization, it works.
NOW there is perhaps an argument to be made to get more relaxed as omicron is less severe.
Lockdowns do suck. And carehome lockdowns are no longer evidence based I think, the harm to people in it VS omicron harm doesn't balance. (my view)
But, we may need vaccination / masks / workplace safety / airco for that, I think.