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• #25827
Just learned something I didn't realise.
The dashboard figures for cases don't include reinfections. If somebody caught Covid in the past, and then gets it again, it is not included in the case numbers. Given the nature of Omicron, seems a bit of a compromise!
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• #25828
Which dashboard and what’s the source?
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• #25829
It's planned to be added by the end of Jan.
https://twitter.com/statsgeekclare/status/1476276270753148933
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• #25830
Can u imagine the back lash the Gov would be getting right now if they had locked down before X Mas on that SAGE prediction.
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• #25831
It wouldn’t be visible though would it?
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• #25832
Sage are a bunch of behavioural scientists, here's a nice little write up from a professor at the UEA basically saying everything I have been trying to convey to you lot before.
https://dailysceptic.org/the-futility-and-hazards-of-boosterism/
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• #25833
Daily sceptic?
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• #25834
Thing is, field hospitals being opened, additional military staff being sent to work in hospitals, they are already driving ambalences, 17 trusts declaring major incidents and cancelling large amounts of surgery, the peak hasn't come yet nationally, it's hardly a slam dunk is it for not taking any action?
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• #25835
Right.
Please don’t lump me with the anti-vaxxers as I roll my eyes.
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• #25836
That article seems fairly reasonable.
Note that nowhere does he mention that vaccines are dangerous or talk about myocarditis or whatever. There is a difference between arguing that vaccines may not "solve" the pandemic (what he is doing) and arguing that vaccines are dangerous (what you seemed to be doing)
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• #25837
I am astonished that we are 2 years in 3 jabs deep still out of control and you are all so closed minded. On my visit a few months ago you were all praising how France had such low case number and how it must be down to mask mandates and passports. That theory didn't seem to work out so well did it?
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• #25838
My argument all a long has been that you cannot mass vaccinate against a coronavirus during a pandemic with a non neutralising vaccine. It will lead to disaster.
Yes I also believe that we don't have any idea on the full extent of the dangers involved with a new technology vaccine. I have personal experiences plus a paramedic friends experiences to suggest it is something we need to be mindful of. When around 20% of frontline NHS staff are unvaccinated you have to have an open mind. -
• #25839
Sadly this is now where mainstream University professors have to publish if they have even the slightest level of critical analysis on whats going on.
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• #25840
This "open minded/closed minded" talk is phenomenally unhelpful in my opinion.
Should people be "mindful" of what they shove in their arm? Of course they should, but let's try and go off reasonable datasets, not "I know a nurse and they think..."
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• #25841
Do you agree that the most vulnerable should be vaccinated? As per the article?
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• #25842
Yes of course its about data but to say its not about looking around you and factoring personal experience is silly. Are you suggesting I completely discount what I see in real life and only trust what I am told?
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• #25843
Absolutely and if you go back through my previous posts I have always said this. It does help to stop severe illness there is no denying that. As I have said from the start its all about risk analysis.
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• #25844
That theory didn't seem to work out so well did it?
We are all in this together, just a bit weird when the article said not to lump him in as an anti-vaxxer.
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• #25845
No, but you should weight them appropriately.
And unfortunately in the current circumstances there is a lot of "trusting what you are told" to be done. You (and I) are not, as far as I am aware virologists, epidemiologists, or anything else that gives us a unique view on this. We have experts who have studied and worked in this field for decades and we have to accept that their knowledge is more detailed than ours.
Of course you should not be unquestioning, there are very real and difficult questions about whether the courses of action that we are taking are sensible. There are definitely questions to be asked about speed of vaccination, what level of death is "acceptable ,about whether vaccinating the world's population is necessary, achievable etc
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• #25846
Lets assume the bulk of NHS frontline staff are in the 18 to 49 range and the current issue is down to staff absence does the data attached suggest the best path was taken?
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• #25847
Can you share the source?
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• #25849
Sadly this is nowhere mainstream University professors have to publish
Ftfy
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• #25850
Here is a better view of the table;
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My partner, yes, I tend not to attend the swabbing of everyone else I know. Though my ‘C and throw away’ mate says his wife won’t swab properly as she finds it ‘too tickly’.