Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

My partner, yes, I tend not to attend the swabbing of everyone else I know. Though my ‘C and throw away’ mate says his wife won’t swab properly as she finds it ‘too tickly’.

Just learned something I didn't realise.

The dashboard figures for cases don't include reinfections. If somebody caught Covid in the past, and then gets it again, it is not included in the case numbers. Given the nature of Omicron, seems a bit of a compromise!

Which dashboard and what’s the source?
The GOV site data is quite clearly labelled in my opinion.

It's planned to be added by the end of Jan.

https://twitter.com/statsgeekclare/status/1476276270753148933

Can u imagine the back lash the Gov would be getting right now if they had locked down before X Mas on that SAGE prediction.

It wouldn’t be visible though would it?

Sage are a bunch of behavioural scientists, here's a nice little write up from a professor at the UEA basically saying everything I have been trying to convey to you lot before.

https://dailysceptic.org/the-futility-and-hazards-of-boosterism/

Daily sceptic?

Thing is, field hospitals being opened, additional military staff being sent to work in hospitals, they are already driving ambalences, 17 trusts declaring major incidents and cancelling large amounts of surgery, the peak hasn't come yet nationally, it's hardly a slam dunk is it for not taking any action?

Right.

Please don’t lump me with the anti-vaxxers as I roll my eyes.

That article seems fairly reasonable.

Note that nowhere does he mention that vaccines are dangerous or talk about myocarditis or whatever. There is a difference between arguing that vaccines may not "solve" the pandemic (what he is doing) and arguing that vaccines are dangerous (what you seemed to be doing)

I am astonished that we are 2 years in 3 jabs deep still out of control and you are all so closed minded. On my visit a few months ago you were all praising how France had such low case number and how it must be down to mask mandates and passports. That theory didn't seem to work out so well did it?

My argument all a long has been that you cannot mass vaccinate against a coronavirus during a pandemic with a non neutralising vaccine. It will lead to disaster.
Yes I also believe that we don't have any idea on the full extent of the dangers involved with a new technology vaccine. I have personal experiences plus a paramedic friends experiences to suggest it is something we need to be mindful of. When around 20% of frontline NHS staff are unvaccinated you have to have an open mind.

Sadly this is now where mainstream University professors have to publish if they have even the slightest level of critical analysis on whats going on.

This "open minded/closed minded" talk is phenomenally unhelpful in my opinion.

Should people be "mindful" of what they shove in their arm? Of course they should, but let's try and go off reasonable datasets, not "I know a nurse and they think..."

Do you agree that the most vulnerable should be vaccinated? As per the article?

Yes of course its about data but to say its not about looking around you and factoring personal experience is silly. Are you suggesting I completely discount what I see in real life and only trust what I am told?

Absolutely and if you go back through my previous posts I have always said this. It does help to stop severe illness there is no denying that. As I have said from the start its all about risk analysis.

That theory didn't seem to work out so well did it?

We are all in this together, just a bit weird when the article said not to lump him in as an anti-vaxxer.

No, but you should weight them appropriately.

And unfortunately in the current circumstances there is a lot of "trusting what you are told" to be done. You (and I) are not, as far as I am aware virologists, epidemiologists, or anything else that gives us a unique view on this. We have experts who have studied and worked in this field for decades and we have to accept that their knowledge is more detailed than ours.

Of course you should not be unquestioning, there are very real and difficult questions about whether the courses of action that we are taking are sensible. There are definitely questions to be asked about speed of vaccination, what level of death is "acceptable ,about whether vaccinating the world's population is necessary, achievable etc

Lets assume the bulk of NHS frontline staff are in the 18 to 49 range and the current issue is down to staff absence does the data attached suggest the best path was taken?

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Can you share the source?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043608/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_51.pdf

Sadly this is nowhere mainstream University professors have to publish

Ftfy

Here is a better view of the table;

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