Strength / Weight Training

Then you don't need hook to do deadlift

So apparently interwebz says callasus are the issue. If you have them straps may tear them off.

"The Pros and Cons of Hook Grip vs Straps
The answer to this question will depend on many factors, such as the sport you are playing, your goals and more. The following article will explore these pros and cons in depth so that you can make an informed decision about which type of grip you should be using.

The advantage of hooks is that you won’t have to worry about the bar rolling or dropping out of your hands during a heavy deadlift or squat. Hook grip also takes up less time and energy than double overhand to single overhand transitions. The disadvantage is that it can be very uncomfortable and painful for some lifters, especially beginners. By using a double overhand grip on the bar and immediately transitioning to hook grip, you can get used to both grips without having to deal with this unpleasantness.

The disadvantages of straps is that they take up more time and energy than a simple transition from double overhand to single overhand. Straps also work against your calluses because they have a tendency to tear them off, which can be very painful. The advantage is that your hands will not get fatigued from holding the bar so tightly, allowing you to push more weight with each set and workout.

The main difference between straps and hook grip is that straps only provide a temporary anchor point for your fingers; they do not force the same degree of tightness that a hook grip does. This is why as mentioned above, straps are generally used to take the strain off your hands and allow you to push more weight; however, the drawback to this is that they have a tendency to tear your calluses off." https://wholesomeblog.com/the-pros-and-cons-of-hook-grip-vs-straps/

Each to their own. The internet has many answers to many things. I’ll use the hook grip until things get too heavy - not likely to happen soon. I do get the reasoning for straps - all the competitors on the Worlds Strongest Man use them. I’m not in that category so, as mentioned, I will use the hook grip for the foreseeable future. My callouses should be safe for a while 😁😁😁

Totes! Each to their own!

Personally, we're not in competition (we're not in WSM) , so who cares. We're not prepping for a completion where this is a failure point.

Hook grip is uncomfortable for no particular reason. I'd rather ride a comfortable Cadillac than a rough 4x4 at this stage of my life. Unless I want the 4x4 ride.

Main difference for me is that I've never had my grip limit a 1rm attempt, only higher rep sets, and I would like, at some point, to compete in a powerlifting meet, where I won't be allowed to use straps, so atm would prefer to train without.

I own straps from when I damaged one of my finger pulleys climbing and wanted to keep deadlifting without aggravating it, but haven't used them since it healed.

Also, one of the main benefits of the big compound movements is the amount of things trained all at once imo, so why remove a part of that.

I would like, at some point, to compete in a powerlifting meet

So do it then. Its for a reason.

so why remove a part of that.

Because the weakest link by far, is your grip. And it's not only by a little- It's huge. Training your grip independently would yield better results than trying to train it in a deadlift sesh.

*obvious disclaimers are on climbers and ground work martial artists and anyone that uses gripstrength. Might be you.... Obviously.

I never said I did though, so go back and read what I wrote instead of getting your pants in a twist

No knickers in a knot. Wooosa....

I never said I did though, so go back and read what I wrote instead of getting your pants in a twist

Also I did and then you're not making sense....

Main difference for me is that I've never had my grip limit a 1rm attempt, only higher rep sets, and I would like, at some point, to compete in a powerlifting meet, where I won't be allowed to use straps, so atm would prefer to train without.

I own straps from when I damaged one of my finger pulleys climbing and wanted to keep deadlifting without aggravating it, but haven't used them since it healed.

Also, one of the main benefits of the big compound movements is the amount of things trained all at once imo, so why remove a part of that.

Which part am I missing?

Also, not not aiming it at you.... Do what you want.

I think hook hold isn't worth it over a strap.

Ye fair. I've also specifically trained my grip (well, finger strength, but hey) for climbing before, which may be a reason it's not limited me in deadlifting.

The principle you're communicating applies to all kinds of things too, like doing only the top part of a bench press when that limits you, rack pulls for deadlifts or 1.5 rep deadlifts etc, it's a legit concept and a good application for straps when grip limits you, the only reason I was saying anything is why I don't do it rather than saying it shouldn't be done. The bit I said about compound lifts should have had an additional "for me" in there to clarify that.

No, what are you there to exercise? Your back? Your core? Your chain? Your grip? If it's grip, aren't there more efficient ways to train them? (edit: shitty English)

I train with bench with straps. It doesn't take away from my bench. It's for me. And also, my weakest link is (are) my elbows. I don't train with something that assists in the actual lift because that's not helping my lift.

But yeah, each to our own.

If you want to train grip strength, go climb a wall and use straps. Personally, I think you get more out of it. More fun climbing getting grip strength, more fun lifting heavier.

Or train grip strength doing deadlift. (jokes...)

Not trying to get into something with you over it dude, we all train in different ways towards our own goals, if we're getting where we want to go with what we're doing then it's all good. I'm glad what works for you works.

Idk if theres some confusion since you quoted my reply in response to konastab01, wasn't trying to pile in on you or owt.

Soz, trying to deal with a general pile on. Like a WWE sesh so it's fun. But a little duck and dive here...

I'm with you, each to their own. You sound like your grip isn't the issue, you wall crawl. So it shouldn't apply to you.

Fuck it... I hate hook grip. Ya'all can keep it 😂

Jeff Dabe's all natty. There are photos of him as a child, with forearms the size of most people's legs.

Straps all the way though. For the reasons you state.

Train grip separately if you're struggling to open jam jars.

Teaching my husband to deadlift double his bodyweight...I think he can do it :)

And getting my chin ups back to 5 or so / go benching together rather than use machine bench.

International chest day today and I went quite heavy.

Ha, is that a thing? I just did chest day after three weeks off and I feel like a wobbly wreck.

I’m not entirely sure. Years ago on a Monday I asked a colleague what I should work out in the gym and he said “it’s international chest day”

So Monday has always been chest.

I think it’s because he was always hungover and chest means laying down.

Monday has always been chest day

Always 😂

It’s science apparently

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No one can argue science bro cause its bro science!

My Stronglifts 5x5 got pretty much nowhere, because of time & schedule.

So I'm obviously blaming the program, and not me.

I like PPL.

I'm prepared to do 3 days a week.

Progression doesn't bother me as much as just working out / maintenance.

(Although I've been so sedentary, I expect progression will fall into place in any case - I just don't care if it's linear or piecemeal, and I'm happy to go on feel)

I need to factor in some specific exercises for rehab, although I think I can make those work as accessory lifts.

Cardio is also important, and takes up the other days of the week (plus rest days)

So - what routine / program? I can't see the woods for the trees at the moment.

I'm trying with 5/3/1, as that does 2 compound lifts each session, and you don't end up going over a week without doing one area (a la 5x5, with ~10 days between chest / upper body exercises).

If maintenance and working out is your goal , why a program like 5/3/1 which is specifically designed for progression?

In terms of progress, unless you can be consistent, eat correctly and recover / rest well , any kind of progression will be tricky on any kind of program .

Suppose what I'm trying to say is that your goals will inform what the best type of program actually is for you . Do you want raw strength? Conditioning? Are aesthetics important ? Etc