Running

I think you're right. It probably will be too hot and heavy.
I've already got a packable Ronhill number, but that's like a binliner.

If I'm caught in the rain, I'm not bothered either, but if it's bucketing down before I go out, that's when I'll usually chuck on a jacket.

Anyone use a non running specific jacket for running?

I wore a uniqlo down jacket the other day as I was so cold. Eventually I ended up with a soggy layer of feathers sticking to me and I was cold again, but for about half an hour it worked alright.

Stitches are your spleen squeezing extra blood out.

I have a dirt cheap boohoo one for running, keeps a decent amount of heat in when wet and has no illusions of being anything other than mediocre.

Expensive run jackets always fail to live up to price tags I feel.

Managed to do 11k! 59mins Slowly building up the distance would like to be able to do a 20 by. Feb/March time.

Running in the rain your gonna get wet. I took a v light weight jacket for when I ended to keep the chill off so small it packs in to bumbag waist storage thing

Down jackets, particularly cheaper ones, are sweat boxes.

@hats A few years back Jana bought an Arcteryx Atom SL top for ski touring (i.e lots of uphill in cold conditions) and it was a revelation. Fast forward a couple of years and we now have 8 Atoms and Fissions in the house, in the different weights.

If you're looking for an insulated top for high output activity, in our opinion it doesnt get better than this. 200 grams in size medium! Jana runs cold and finds that its ok for activities to a couple of degrees below freezing.

https://outlet.arcteryx.com/gb/en/shop/womens/atom-sl-hoody
https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/clothing-mens/insulated-jacket/arcteryx-atom-sl-hood

Yes!

The atom is such a good bit of gear - have the jacket and gilet. Think it would be too warm for running even in sl though

Gah, you might be right thinking about it. Think Jana does get on with it best in colder temperatures.

The incendo range (maybe gamma) is good for running. I’m still pissed off I didn’t get an incendo gilet for running as reckon it would be great for longer slower winter miles.

Oooh good recommendation, thank you. I actually don't mind a sweat box as long as I can keep it a warm sweat box, it's just when I get cold and it becomes clammy and cold. And I have officially repulsed myself through the use of language.

What I can say for sure is that even the heavier versions in the range are much less sweat boxy than any down I've owned. The filling doesn't get soaked or clunpy either. They also dont fall apart in the washing machine which is an added bonus.

Just for reference, in order of warmth:

SL = Superlight
LT = Light
AR = All Round
SV = Severe Weather

I've sneaked under 20 at Dulwich (flat). I'd like to be honest.

I ran my first sub 20min 5k yesterday, along the river between Greenwich and Woolwich. I felt I could have gone a bit faster without the thames path's ramps and chicanes etc. Could do it on a track. Could do it indoors with no wind. Could do it in a vacuum in perfectly straight line.

Then I ran up the hill in Greenwich Park in the dark and across Blackheath and remembered why running is actually fun :)

Anyone have experience running with sciatica? I was in AnE with it in September and have given up cycling completely.

Trying to balance a long term recovery plan with a need for lots of cardio and off road adventures. I definitely hurt more on mornings after long or high intensity runs, but during and immediately after running I am wonderfully pain free. It's a lifeline. Losing the speed and freedom of the bike has had a big impact on my life.

Randomly flares up but mine is just a tight piriformis muscle.

Congrats @William. and @Rich_G on the runs!

Then I ran up the hill in Greenwich Park in the dark and across Blackheath and remembered why running is actually fun :)

I'm going to start DASing handy looking runners I think.

I wouldn't be too form obsessed as it's probably an imbalance causing the form issues rather than the other way around and your form will fall apart as soon as you get tired anyway. Get everything strong and firing properly and your form will improve unless you have a comically extreme running form. I've been through this a few years ago months of rehab and hundreds of pounds spent but better than ever now. I'll give the long version if your interested ? Needs confirmation by a physio first but sounds exactly the same as my issues

Does anybody have a Fenix 6 sapphire? I've had a Fenix 5 with mineral glass for years and it has been great in terms of durability but I wanted to know whether screen legibility/clarity is improved with sapphire (as it sometimes is compared to cheaper mineral glass on other watches).

Never bothered with the posh glass stuff. I just get a bunch of < £1 screen protectors. They've saved my watch screen on more than one occasion. If I take of the current one the original screen is immaculate.

I've worn my Fenix 5 with mineral glass for a few years of whacking against rocks climbing with no problems at all. I'm very impressed by the standard glass durability. Its more a legibility opinion I'm looking for. I wouldn't pay the extra for durability (because as you say, the normal is plenty durable enough) but I might pay the extra if the screen has a bit more pop.

Anyone use a non running specific jacket for running?

Rapha pack jacket is my go to running jacket. Normally throw in on over a t shirt when the temp drops below 5°c. Doesn't boil in the bag and it's good in wind/light rain

I've a couple of Nike run specific jackets and they're both boil in the bag by comparison

No idea how anyone could run in a jacket. I’d melt. I’ve never needed anything more than a long sleeve merino base layer down to zero degrees. I don’t really run in the rain though I guess.

Its more cold + wind that gets me to put a jacket on.