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Was fun taking someone else's brand new saw to a fence panel I didn't pay for!

It's a funny thing, this whole storm in a tea cup.

Obviously you've been a total prick - but the interesting thing (the remarkable thing, in its original sense) is why.

You were clearly very badly triggered by the idea of my doing some carpentry, to the extent that you went from a standing start to "burn it down", without escalating through mild banter, moderate mocking etc.

Much as "friendliest forum on the internet" is thrown around to ironically describe interaction on here it's rare for someone to truly get the knives out, which you did in response to what on the surface was no provocation.

Which, as I said, was and is remarkable. Your use of "butt hurt" is, I think, a part of this - that phrase is projection on your part I suspect.

Why were you so badly triggered? I don't know, but - conjecture would be:

• You mention how good you are at your job more often than anyone else on the forum (but don't get called on it because you balance it with helpful advice, Toupret/Zinnser/that IR stripper thing etc)
  
• You frequently mention your waiting list (clear sign of a remarkable craftsman), people are lucky to get you etc etc
  
• And of course we are all told that you only need to work in a very small area of Fulham, such is the demand for your services
  
  

What conclusion can we draw? I think it's fair to say that your professional life makes up a large part of your identity, what you are proud of and what you believe sets you apart/gives you value.

I think, therefore, that you felt threatened by my intention of doing something you see as part of your professional arena as a bit of fun. Maybe you thought it cheapened it, and because your self image relies so heavily on being an amazing carpenter you took it as a personal attack - hence the nuclear response, out of all proportion to the provocation.

Maybe the above is all bollocks, but it filled 10 miles of London stop/start traffic earlier this evening as I tried to work out plausible reasons for your behaviour.

And, of course, this doesn't excuse you being such a prick, even if it might explain it.

A hairdryer achieved nothing, the tape was well past the point where it might have worked!
I sliced the join, peeled off what I could (the painted bit of the tape came off ok) and used my Bahco carbide scraper to take off the rest. Messy and I will need to touch up the edges as white primer is clearly visible!

Have you re-read the posts again? From.
https://www.lfgss.com/comments/16210553/

You dismissed the sensible advice, mild banter and moderate mocking until you seemed to take the hump with "Clear enough"

By that point, you still had no tools, timber or work area until S22. So any further advice about how to actually make them would have been mostly pointless.

I bet things would be different had you followed up sometime later with the purchase of a planer/ thicknesser, router table and saw, etc. Asking for tips to build a work bench as a learning project!

You’re definitely off the deep end on this one Neil. I don’t think the original response from Airhead was at all what you’re describing…

Dude I'd stay out of this one if I were you.

Otherwise Dammit might go back and actually read the conversation and realize that it was you who first said he was out of his depth ;)

It's weirdly like listing to my dad recall situations. Some of the key facts are there, but everything is viewed through this totally different lense.

I need to fix this shower tray.

It will require, I think

• removing the existing failed water barrier thing
  
• removing the existing water catcher thing on the inside of the door (WTF?!)
  
• new magnetic door seals (vertical)
  
• new bottom door seal (curved)
  
• sealant for the tray to floor interface
  
  

Some questions

• what is the best tray to floor sealant I can get that won't mind being fixed to a heated floor ?
  
• who is the go to for door seals that aren't shite and that won't immediately brown in hard water?
  
• any pro tips for removing the existing water barrier and water catcher? They are stuck on, with something. Will try a bit of heat to loosen them to start with.
  
• Any other general tips and things to avoid?
  

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There’s a difference between Tim’s response/others and Airhead.

Visible to me, anyway.

And “he does this for a job, so knows better” is not relevant here, and doesn’t explain the response- to what would be a hobby level endeavour.

I don’t take time out to shit on people’s faux pas on the InfoSec side in their personal lives, as an example.

Anyway, it’s provided some entertainment- as no doubt will actually making some doors next year.

That’s all stuff that can be bought or rented, though. It’s trivial.

So this chapter in the LFGSS Book’s gonna be “Door Gate”?

I'm tempted to run off to the popcorn thread............

This kind of reminds me of the time I was working on a commercial timber framing site and the two master carpenters had a minor disagreement and proceeded to get progressively salty with each other. I don't think that this will end with the health and safety man coming to do a site inspection to find one of the protagonists pissing on the other's (plugged in) SkillSaw.

'perceived lack of' SkillSaw, no?

I'd need to go to Fulham, for one thing, so I agree that that's unlikely.

Does mean that I don't need to worry about my circular saw as it's sufficiently far away from SW6.

This whole drama will be up and over in a minute.

Are we close to Godwin’s Law being played out yet?

That’s all stuff that can be bought or rented, though. It’s trivial.

And 9 months before a likely start date, so were the exact details.

Unless you had a stack of suitable leftover timber and absolutely nothing else to use it for, it's madness. You'll struggle to get suitable raw timber less than Jeld-wen can supply a finished product. Without the space to easily build them perfectly flat and square, any small errors in your joints will probably show up as a twist or bow.

Yes it could be done as a first project, but you'd learn just as much by building a workbench and storage. At least you'll have somewhere to work and would be able to take it with you, if/when you move.

Without the space to easily build them perfectly flat and square

So if we're trying to be constructive, is it fair to say that the first job is the re-do the floor?

Sayre's Law certainly

following up on my post above - there are no rules or regulations prevening me replacing the switching unit on my oven?

Not to my knowledge but it may void any warranty that you have.

Having read the original conversation that includes @Dammit and @Airhead falling out, I'd like to say that there is no reason whatsoever why dammit could not learn how to make the garage doors and I don't think airhead was saying that you couldn't learn to do so, I think he was saying that you are underestimating the skill level and tools you require.

Dammit, for what it's worth I regularly make such things and in order to do so I use the following:

Work bench
Planer thicknesser
Table saw
Hollow chisel mortiser
Hand router
Table router
Bench plane
Shoulder plane
Chisels
Hand drill
Drill press

You can see all of this in the photos below.

Which represents a total investment of around £17k thats not taking into consideration rent on my workshop space (the space I have that is shown in the photos is sometime a bit on the small side when working on large scale jobs).

I have in the past, when I don't have much on, made doors with hand tools only and by that I mean do everything including thicknessing the timber and cutting the mortices and tennons by hand. This requires me to use all of my experience and is HARD.

The thing you have to realise is that mortice and tenon joinery works on incredibly fine margins, if a plane has a set that is less than 0.25mm too big it can mean the difference between the joint being too tight and failing over time or too lose and never doing its job.

Also bear in mind that before starting you would need to find appropriate, joinery grade timber of the correct moisture content. This is hard to find and usually requires building up a good relationship with suppliers over a period of months or years.

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thats not taking into consideration rent on my workshop space

To be fair, he’ll have 2 garages to use as a workshop. He’ll just need some method of closing off the space at the end of each day 😬

#holeinmybucket

Actually I've just realised that I'm overthinking things @Dammit you could quite easily make this with halving joints which is a much more approachable method of construction. This would also be doable without joinery grade stock.

Looks like you wanna invest in a hoover next ;)