Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

inserts obligatory Tomac comment

do you know how incredibly hard it is to capture the image before running into cyclingtips paywall you n00b?!?!?

the KAW bike. can't say i like it, can't say i don't.

The orange granny ring and wonky chainring sicken me.

That's before you get to the post and the bars and shifters.

Warm up the flamethrowers.

I think I'd take it over a create/goku or similar with less tyre clearance. I feel like these cheap bikes that don't have gears can maybe be worth it in the long run if users upgrade the parts as they die 🤷🏽‍♂️

That's the thing, that B'twin cost £70 new, once it booked in for a service, it's cheaper to get a new bike instead.

Some owners did upgrade them and ended up with something OK and useable, for a reasonnable overall budget.

I was about to say enough with the BTwin thread hijacking and but then remembered it is the gravel thread, like a good recycling centre anything can be dumped here without a guilty thought.

Does a £70 bike work at all? That seems close to the cost of materials. Forget design, shipping, assembly, etc...

Does a £70 bike work at all?

Yes, at first.

A £200 bike with alleged suspension can stand up to Sam Pilgrim for a little while:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm6TZYjiaFY

Oh that's still under budget and they were able to make a profit.

Don't forget at cost it is much cheaper, before trade and then retail.

can stand up to Sam Pilgrim for a little while

Impressive. I can manage about 0.001 seconds of him before I throw my laptop out of the window

Ha, pretty normal reaction

I totally get that, but I'd suggest to the customer that it's worth upgrading brakes/wheels etc as they wear out rather than spending another 70 quid and adding to landfill. I also totally understand that this is hard to convince people of, but it gotta try, they've already got the first bike

And they can get that plush smooth ride over a goku/create with deep section 700c + 23c 😅

Every time I hear his name I crave a Monster

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considering taking my £££ to scoblefans or hippyfans instead

, but I'd suggest to the customer that it's worth upgrading brakes/wheels etc as they wear out rather than spending another 70 quid and adding to landfill.

I did tried that, a pair of decent Shimano brake plus labour still cost more than the bike (£40 brakes, £40 Labour).

Yeah, and I can understand that people can't afford to change everything at once, but it's worth going for even a smaller upgrade for those people. Maybe something aluminium tektro over the pressed steel ones they come with would be an upgrade.

That is true, it is entirely possible to make the brakes feel better with simply tweaking and maybe cable/housing.

Ultimately when I had that in my workshop a dozen of times, only one were approved and that's just the rear tyres.

Is this a tea towel holder under the downtube?

Am I still allowed to mock handlebar setups?

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No. I fixed 'em.

Christ, you spend all that money on a frame then do that to it.

If I was Seven, I'd ask for it back.

Looking at the handlebar, it look very long which explain the short stem.