Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

Now I don't know what to do with the Christmas do again...stupid new variant. Colleagues are mostly sensible, there are vaccination passports rules now in Norn Ire, but still.

No Christmas hazmats suits with sequins and a hatch for eating available unfortunately! :)

(I guess a great excuse for those who hate Christmas dos, sorry new variant!!! can't make it!!!)

(I guess a great excuse for those who hate Christmas dos, sorry new variant!!! can't make it!!!)

https://twitter.com/lettersofnote/status/397354825915985921?lang=en-GB

All gone pete tong in my daughter's class. The class whatsapp started blowing up at the weekend as a group of the boys all went down. Since then there has been a daily increase of two or three. Today, only 10 of them in class out of 30. Teacher also positive. She had a bad time with Covid last year so feeling pretty sorry for her being put in this position in the first place. Big respect to all the teachers out there at the moment.

We all had it about 6 months ago - so the kids are probably still running with some kind of low level immunity. Part of me wants them to get it again now, so we can get it out of the way before Xmas....running out of time for that though.

^ Same happening with us, wife was babysitting the grandkids at the weekend, classes closed today due to teachers going down and kids tested positive this afternoon. LF tests for us today were negative though.

In other news I bumped into Piers Corbyn in the West End at lunchtime, marching down Oxford Street spouting his nonsense out of his megaphone - “don’t take the vaccine, don’t take the booster” etc. There was also a lady in a pink coat walking behind him shouting “rubbish rubbish stop talking rubbish” at him down her equally loud megaphone. All quite surreal really, well done the pink lady.

Corbyn is surely in the running for a Herman Cain award at this point

What is the issue with the vaccine? Or am I missing something?

What is the issue with the vaccine?

Good one

Just saw this on a German news site, according to this graph Astrazeneca is completely useless after a few months?

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^ It is just looking at symptomatic infections, not hospitalization? AZ does seem to stop those quite well, otherwise the situation here would be really bad?

But yes AZ seems to wane more than Pfizer/Moderna.

The Janssen one shot vaccine seems to wear off even faster.

Ha! :)

Seems that way

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410

effectiveness of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 was generally lower and waned faster, with no effectiveness detected from day 121 and onwards

When I went for my first jab last month I was told UK not using AZ at all for new stabbings.

still effective in most cases against severe disease and death though:

“The effectiveness against severe illness seems to remain high through 9 months, although not for men, older frail individuals, and individuals with comorbidities. This strengthens the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third booster dose.“

anyone double AZ jabbed will benefit from a Pfizer/Moderna booster so don’t panic.

But give me my mRNA pronto please

We have got to have got to the point that with the number of vaccinations given that this is a good thing.

Or am I being naive?

EDIT: Yep naive or stupid take your pick. But I cannot believe people are so fact resistant.

I've had one AZ, one Pfizer. Waiting for boosters to be permitted here for whatever my third one is. I'm hoping I develop superpowers from the mix.

I had covid and 2x Astra, I hope I am still protected in some way.

Wife had two AZ doses with no side effects and now the Moderna yesterday as a booster and its knocked her for six.

Seems a bit of a lottery, we both had double AZ and partner had the works/fever/aches/3 days off work 1st dose, slightly better 2nd dose.
i had no sleep and 2 days mooching about on both.
moderna booster for me and a night of epic dreams and a rash, Pfizer for her and just a sore arm.

thats the first anecdote of having a worse time with the booster i have heard though.

I've done all 3 from Pfizer with a flu jab same day double drop on the booster and not even had an achey arm.

The Janssen one shot vaccine seems to wear off even faster.

After a couple of very tense conversations about the merits of vaccination my mother went for J&J because she didn’t want an mRNA vaccine (they change your DNA). Not looking forward to having to do that again, hopefully they’ll no longer suffice for restaurants and travel soon.

Would some trusted sources help gently persuade?

https://www.unicef.org/montenegro/en/stories/covid-19-vaccine-does-not-change-human-dna

Ah cheers, that could help on the first but I fear I'll just get some other reason ranging from 'I'm very careful' to 'I don't trust Big Pharma' with maybe a quick bodily autonomy detour.

She's big on alternative medicine so I'm competing with a group of QAnon nuts. She tells me she's really very sane (and I believe her) and that most of the people in 'her corner' have really gone full QAnon down to calling Biden satanistic pedophile and waiting for Trump to be reinstated. But she refuses to accept that they're beyond saving and still interacts with them, which means she feels her position to be well considered and she doesn't want to 'pick a side'.

I’ve had 2 AZ and Pfizer booster yesterday, feel way better than the first 2 so far.

Sorry thats tragic.