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I don't carry the ortliebs daily. Only on long trips.
I have just had the framebag on daily and it carried, pump, tubes, straps for holding things and nothing else.
My rack construction doesn't allow for the same style bag and I am not sure my feet will fit, but I will try and sketch up somethin similar and see where it goes
Hulsroy
Exactly that, really handy to put the kids dirty rain boots and kit in after a day in the woods. The bags always hold a small picknick tarp, 2 ikea bags for shop runs, the lock and other bits.
But I guess everything changes when you have a rack and Ortliebs.