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  • compare and contrast the forum's views on Shamima Begum

    This is absolute galaxy brain false equivalence, thank you

  • In some respects yes, in others no.

    My recollection is, on here, she was almost universally portrayed as a groomed child (in stark contrast to my irl experience).

    Not trying to have a woke-off, but imo a lot of people are underestimating they innate bias. Their default assumes a brown girl couldn't possibly have any agency, but a white male "obviously" does - regardless of them being a child.

    I'm not abdicating KR of responsibility. However, I lay a huge part of the blame of this whole thing at the feet of those politicians and pundits who propagated the Clint Eastwood style frontier bullshit where life is secondary to property. Even more so as they're exactly the sort of cunts that glorify actions they would never in a million years do because they're so insulated. I see him as being recruited by them, just as I saw Shamima Begum as a product of the extremist groups that recruited her.

    Conversely I wonder how many KR supporters have any empathy for the kids recruited by ISIS.

  • The whole point of Begum’s case wasn’t that she had zero responsibility or zero agency. Just that as a child who was, yes, actively recruited by a terrorist organisation she had diminished responsibility. And therefore maybe being punished by being stripped of her citizenship and left to die in a refugee camp wasn’t commensurate.

    You want to argue Rittenhouse should be tried as a minor, fine, go for it. But diminished responsibility on the basis of “being a product of social / historical forces” is a bit of a fucking reach, tbh. We’re all a product of historical forces darling.

    Linking these two is not the gotcha you seem to think it is

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