GPS tech (Garmin, Hammerhead, Wahoo, RWGPS, etc)

I think I used loctite super glue plastic (this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/Loctite-All-Plastics-Glue/dp/B002SPBX9W) and that fixed mine.

Garmin 810 is the gps that caused me to switch permanently to Wahoo... 800 was (for the time) great and pretty reliable, but 810 was awful.

Have I missed all of the Hammerhead Karoo 2 chat? Any real life experiences? It looks pretty decent to be fair.

Quite a few people using it on Badlands, including a few big names. Not sure if it’s aggressive sponsorship or genuinely good.

Everyone got a free Komoot subscription and lots of people had issues when splitting their route into sections.
Annoys me when people push sponsors products that (in my opinion) are not up to the job.

Seems to have a lot of bells and whistles, but I’m yet to see what it can do that a Wahoo can’t.

Komoot is utterly terrible when compared to RWGPS. I can't understand how they've become so popular / seem to have so much money to sponsor and partner with events / athletes.

Throw cash about

I know people getting paid by a service that actually use another in private.

They sponsord the event. A few people i know are using them willingly and initial reports seem good, but the battery life is low. And I don't think it does anything you can't do with a 530 and phone just as well.

Id be very cautious of buying one after the 1st one being such a joke.

I mostly use my phone these days, its ideal for the job a lot of the time.

Maps.me, all the breweries to tour, and yes phone will do.

I tried to make a 50k loop in RWGPS last week and immediately switched back to Komoot, maybe I need a paid account? My current workflow is making a rough route with Strava as Komoot’s gravel routing is too roadie for me and the MTB routing too rough, And then fine tune the course in Komoot because Strava with unpaved-preference does some weird shit in city centers. If I need to split for a multi-day thing I use gpx.studio

Needless to say I’d like a one stop shop but I’ve yet to find it.

Why did you switch back, what was the issue?

My missus does her route planning in the free RWGPS no issues.

I use the paid version. I tried Komoot but it's crap in comparison. It's only use was running routes through to see where I'd left gravel in on road routes but now RWGPS has a surface feature so that's likely redundant now.

The ability to use Google Street View within RWGPS and the sheer number of different maps you can toggle with mean it's the only one I use. The app is surprisingly easy to plot routes on as well which helps when not near a desktop.

I've got one and it's been great. Screen is superb, battery life decent and it's constantly updated.

Yeah, flipping between Google and OSM is a must-have when you're trying to do stuff like Transiberica and remove all the gravel roads that show up as paved roads on Google.

Komoot should just piss off and put all its money into RWGPS. :)

Inability to give a preference for surface type mainly. Or my inability to find it in the clunky interface.

Yeah it's the screen that got me interested, the touch screen on my garmin is crap. Never really thought wahoo were as good as they could be either. The karoo 2 45 day risk free trial is tempting.

In terms of routing I use paid for RWGPS everytime, Komoot just seem to have a huge marketing budget.

This is where our use varies. I plot routes turn by turn choosing the roads, trails I want rather than picking a start and end and letting the software work out the route. RWGPS has all the surface info you need.

Yeah thats it. Plotting yourself, rwgps, want it to do it for you, komoot or strava. Rwgps will do it for you, but not in the same way/as well.

That makes sense. Most of my routing is either from scratch in unknown areas or changing previous tracks, the only thing I’d want RWGPS premium for is merging and splitting. But gpxstudio.com also works-ish.

Is there any sort of consensus on which computer is the strongest for navigation? I have never used a cycling computer before and I am not that fussed about the training aspect of them.

I would ideally like to plot gravel routes where I live in rural mid Wales, on forestry roads, and be given some clear directions, seen on a lovely map if possible.

your phone

I suspected as much, battery life and lack of waterproofness force purchase of new gadget

battery pack and case?

or gamin 530 (no touch screen) or 830 (touch screen) / hammerhead karoo 2

Depends on your budget - new/used Garmin with colour screen (1000, 1030, etc) or a waterproof phone (Sony and Samsung both have IP67 rated phones)

My 830 is good for navigation... just need to make sure I carry a battery pack if I'm going over 6 or so hours