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Uber style self driving cars on demand. Thats the dream I'm holding out for. Who in their right mind would own a car when you could just use an app and have a kip in the back?

Nice idea but it's not happening for at least 30 years.

Horrendous idea, Uber is the devil incarnate.

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when amazon acquire them i'm sure they'll clean up their act.

when amazon acquire them i'm sure they'll clean up their act.

Now that's the dream I'm holding out for.

Who in their right mind would own a car when you could just use an app and have a kip in the back?

That's rather obvious isn't it. It'll be the huge numbers of people who can't afford to use the self driving car service.

My gut feeling is that it'll be priced in much the same way as car ownership is now. I.e to convince people to take on debt to drive cars they couldn't afford to buy.

But sure, many people now currently can't afford a car.

London & Cities =/= Rest of world.

SUVs:

Increasing popularity has totally wiped out any emissions reduction from the rise in EVs. Heavier, burn more fuel.

From a public health perspective: more weight = more brake and tyre wear, more asthma, more entrenched health inequalities and shortened lives.

Higher bonnets and more weight= more road deaths. Road injury second highest cause of death globally for young people.

Wider= more congestion. Blocking the roads more when parked. More congestion=more idling engines and more pollution.

The group letting down tyres have seen a desperate situation and are doing what they can, more power to them. These vehicles represent the violent, selfish worst of car culture. Someone said "most cars are not SUVs so this misses the bigger picture". But they're a rapidly growing proportion of the problem. Ban them from cities. They are death machines. We banned hand guns.

Might have got a bit triggered there

Higher bonnets and more weight= more road deaths.

Definitely true but I'm going to be the #notallsuvs guy again and point out that quite a few SUVs rank higher in NCAP pedestrian safety ratings than small cars. Our Ateca is rated nearly a whole point above our Fiesta.

That said, some of the larger SUVs are insanely bad for pedestrians. In the US, 100% of pedestrian collisions involving SUVs travelling faster than 40mph were fatal. The theory is that it's because of their obsession with large cars.

Then - literally - what are you doing?

If you think that you are doomed to failure, that your method of protest won’t actually work but you are going to do it anyway then it’s not a protest- it’s a tantrum.

if you want to change the mind of the person who doesn't believe in climate change

Do you believe in climate change?

I suspect most SUV owners believe the science, but are engaged in the same cognitive dissonance that almost all of us are.

Anyway, the greatest single obstacle to vastly reducing car journeys in an urban environment is the poor quality of public transport and the fact people don't feel safe cycling (probably rightly).

how many years would it take to switch the road mentality through education to respect ‘the lesser’ road user more

I think part of the answer is changing the way we think about travel. As I said, it's inherently a public thing; every time you step out your door the way you travel and the infrastructure you require to do it has an impact on other people. Being able to move around should absolutely be a right and our access to roads, paths, bridleways etc. is something to be proud of in the UK and something we should defend: however, the way we travel should absolutely in the firing line for legislation. Limiting what cars can be used seems just a basic requirement at this stage.

In terms of valuing 'lesser' road users I think we need to push the message that SUV use fundamentally runs against the wider aspiration of being able to live in a safe and pleasant environment. I don't really think we need to factor in people's aspirations when it comes to owning a bigger car, as I think there will always be the type of people who want to flash their wealth and a much greater number who simply don't think about the fact that, just because you're cocooned inside an armoured box that you own, it doesn't mean that how you choose to travel isn't everyone else's business. We can't wait for that social shift and I think it's hard to engineer (although advertising limitations might help), I think we just need to legislate in order to limit the degree to which the public highway can be an environment where you externalise the cost of your choices.

Uber style self driving cars on demand. Thats the dream I'm holding out for. Who in their right mind would own a car when you could just use an app and have a kip in the back?

People that can afford their own self driving car and then it doesn't have other people's mess in it and they can keep their own junk in the boot, eg golf clubs in case they fancy a round on the way home from work.

Failing to see how this is bad.

Onion Rings and Marching Powder. What's not to like?

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What kind of onion rings? Frozen actual onion rings in batter or crisps? Something else?

What's the street value of the onion rings?

Finally some good news

Anyway, the greatest single obstacle to vastly reducing car journeys in an urban environment is the poor quality of public transport and the fact people don't feel safe cycling (probably rightly).

Sure but why is answer to that an SUV? why not a smaller more efficient used car?

Yeah, I don't know. Answers somewhere on a spectrum from required function to status driven brainwashing.

UK gov should just ban cars and issue every household a load 75 as comp.

So high and safe

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status driven brainwashing.

I think thats the wider point being made here and possibly the tyre slashers too

I am yet to come across an SUV owner who is not a cunt towards other vulnerable road users but I have an open mind

scrapping hs2 stations for areas that werent Tory enough
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/14/government-to-finally-drop-plan-for-hs2-link-to-leeds-reports