• I had my seven built straight gauge because the 60g weight saving wasn’t worth an extra $500, to me.

    I was told that I’d probably like the butted frame more, as the butting can be used to further tune my ride preferences, but I guess that won’t be the case with what you’re suggesting? The sheer number of straight gauge tube sets available was so, so vast that I knew the bike would already ride better than anything else I’d ever touched. And I was right. Zero regrets.

    Also, there are enough legendary Ti builders who only build with straight gauge including none other than now retired Moots founder Kent Eriksen. So really I don’t think you can go wrong with either. It’s more about tube profiles than butting from a ride quality perspective.

  • Unless you're riding the two back to back, I know nobody will know the difference.
    I'm choosing tube profiles for ride characteristics already but I wanted butting for the weight and because whether or not it actually adds any advantage to the frame, many people think this:

    Always get butted if you're offered.

    and therefore perceived value increases. I am looking into selling these, not just making one.

  • Yeah, for me, the perceived value wasn't there. But I appreciate I'm not your average consumer. Just look at Bearclaw to see how easily people can be sucked into marketing for Chinese welded frames.

    For me, sub $3000 for a Ti frame from a world renowned shop was like 'woah, that's way more attainable than anticipated' (especially compared to stock manufacturer's like Moots who want $4k). Whereas $3500 for butted was like 'hmmmm the bargain feel of this frame has started to disappear'.

    But if you can keep the cost of butting the frames low and the markup high then I guess it's a win-win.

  • I'd be slightly cautious of how many far east manufacturers actually do double butt tubing. Unless you cut your frame up it would be pretty hard to tell, the fact Waltly refused to was a confidence tick in my book, I.e they were prepared to tell me they couldn't do something than say yes to clinch a sale. Personally I'd go straight gauge.

  • Always get butted if you're offered.

    This was also a reference to bottom sex.

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