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Looking into it the SE is a slightly updated 8. And there's not much price difference between a refurbished 8 and an SE.
All the newer refurbs are more and I don't think he needs any of the features of the newer ones. Things like battery isn't an issue as he plugs his phone in All. The. Time.
Although Fwiw the refurbed X looks to be quite good value from Apple if you need high storage capacity. Idk how the prices stack up vs ebay tho. Or if features of the 11 in 64gb make it a better option. Just thought I'd say.
Thanks again for all the help.