Overheard at the LFGSS golf club bar

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itsbruce in reply to @Eseman

Hmm, you seem to misunderstand me. Marx distinguished 2 classes: bourgeoisie and proletariat (ed.: I’m including the lumpenproletariat) . If someone depends on their labour to survive they’re part of the proletariat, whether they’re white collar doctors with two houses and a mortgage or blue collar factory workers scraping to get by.

You seem to have missed the whole bit where he talked about the petite bourgeoisie as a transitional class (and not in a temporal sense).

Distinguishing strongly between ‘middle’ and ‘working’ class is, in my limited experience, peculiarly British.

You're right; your experience is limited.

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Eseman in reply to @itsbruce

I’d hoped you’d mention that, as the transitional nature of the petty bourgeoisie in the UK seems to refer mainly to their value system, which they align with the upper class’. Their chances of actually transitioning from middle to upper class in the UK appears to be significantly (laughably) smaller than in other countries.

You're right; your experience is limited.

Then enlighten me, which other countries have this distinction? I don’t doubt they exist, but having lived across most of the Americas I’m unaware of them. There’s certainly an upper-middle class that includes micro capitalists and white collar workers, and they also delude themselves into thinking they’re different from the middle class.

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itsbruce in reply to @Eseman
Then enlighten me
1. It isn't the rest of the world's responsibility to stop you pontificating from a position of ignorance.
2. This is the golf club bar thread, so it would be particularly inappropriate to interfere.

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