EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I as watching Shapps on Marr this morning - one point that I thought was very interesting was that there is still a belief that you can pay foreign workers less.

We are competing with the EU for these workers, and as you say they have the leverage. They're not going to come for buttons - they'll want at least as much as UK drivers are making and very probably more.

We're a rainy cul-de-sac of red tape and racists, where a driver is personally liable for his cargo having all the correct paperwork if crossing a border. We need to make that sound attractive, and £$£$ is what's going to do that.

Not, I suspect, for the drivers that we used to have - but Algerian, Turkish, maybe Romanian drivers would probably find the signing on bonus and the pay quite attractive.

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This is very WTF;

One former driver, Jake Justice, who turns 90 next month, said he had recently been contacted by a recruitment agency representative who said there were good opportunities in the industry due to current shortages.

“I told him I would barely be able to climb into a cab. I retired 25 years ago,” he told The Independent.

The recruitment worker then suggested, after hearing Mr Justice’s age, that he would be able to help him retrain for his licence or he could drive vehicles around the yard, rather than on the road, he said. Other friends who had long retired from the industry had also been contacted by haulage firms offering them work, Mr Justice said.

We're a rainy cul-de-sac of red tape and racists

Bit harsh. It’s not always raining.

Not, I suspect, for the drivers that we used to have - but Algerian, Turkish, maybe Romanian drivers would probably find the signing on bonus and the pay quite attractive

I read somewhere that the vast majority are coming from Ukraine.

https://trans.info/en/dutch-trucker-union-representative-eu-workers-won-t-help-uk-out-of-the-sh-t-255992

My dad got his HGV licenses forty years ago but never used them. I was joking with him at the weekend that he should see if he could get them reactivated and land himself a £60k a year job. He's 79 in a couple of months.

It's also red, white, and blue tape.

but then he can send you to private school!

I now have a mental image of a Range Rover towing one of those delivery trucks down a motorway lol

A local company are now advertising for production workers through postal leaflets.

A new low.

I saw a sign inside a Sainsbury's store offering £10.40 /h for delivery drivers. Can't be that bad yet if they still offer so little.

Apparently the average hourly pay for a delivery driver in France is £15.64

That’s insanely low.

Did it say if you need your own vehicle?

You need freezers and fridges for delivering food stuffs. Doubt many private vehicles have these.

£10.50/hour in Alperton
https://sainsburys.jobs/search-apply/home-delivery-driver-13930/
£10.25 in Bath

155 locations available

London Colney is £9.50 for a shelf stacker, £10.25 to drive a delivery van. Doesn't seem like a lot a lot of extra cash for a lot of extra responsibility.

Shelf stackers have to work surrounded by people. People are the absolute worst.

Apparently the average hourly pay for a delivery driver in France is £15.64

An LGV driver at Waltham Point is £45590.69 p/a based on a 48 hourish week which is something like £18/hour.

I had an after school/Saturday job as a pet shop boy and enjoyed the customer interaction.

Good point, I was thinking on an advert on the noticeboard when I read it rather than an advert by Sainsburys for drivers

I guess the delivery drivers don't need a special HGV license so there is more competition?

it's just a f@@k up all round.

Are we comparing like for like? I'm talking about small van deliveries, like parcels and groceries. Which is what Sainsbury's were offering a tenner an hour for.