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  • Platitudes are not philosophy nor policy. In a document like that you want substance.

    Full disclosure, still not read it so there may be something substantive to support the radical position of "we support hard working families." But as it is, those points are so neutral they could just as easily be "positions" put forward by the Tories.

  • Personally I think it's too early in the election cycle to be launching fully formed plans. We're probably looking at two or three years until the next election, anything released now will have lost its impact by then (or possibly be unworkable in post covid/brexit times).

    @ReekBlefs I guess in theory that's point 4. Maybe they didn't go for anything more explicit as they didn't want to be accused of being too "woke". Although I think they could have promoted something like that together with "British values" of tolerance, fighting for the underdog, etc

  • @ReekBlefs I guess in theory that's point 4. Maybe they didn't go for anything more explicit as they didn't want to be accused of being too "woke". Although I think they could have promoted something like that together with "British values" of tolerance, fighting for the underdog, etc

    We're in total agreement on that. I think it's a deliberate decision to stay away from the culture wars - an approach which may be electorally sensible but it also throws our most vulnerable under the bus, and I don't like it. I think a good leader wins a culture war by convincing those on the wrong side of it that they have no reason to be scared. Starmer's triangulation on this issue reminds me of Corbyn's triangulation on Brexit. You cannot face both ways on an important, divisive topic without looking weak. Imo.

  • Personally I think it's too early in the election cycle to be launching fully formed plans.

    This seems to be the go to response for any criticism of Starmer. "It's too soon." When it comes to politicking, sure - that may be a valid - even prudent - position. But this document isn't intended to represent "fully formed plans." He's not put out a party manifesto or electoral pledge. It's supposed to represent his political thought (hence it being published by the Fabians). I think it's intellectually problematic to claim it's "too soon" for him to express that.

    (To be explicit, I'm not calling you intellectually dishonest!)

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