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Bollocks to that. I got to number 490 where they put Old Town Road above Welcome to the Jungle.

~~Not really sure where would be appropriate to post this:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-appeal-daniela-longhin-disappears-lewisham-b956133.html

The missing woman works with my wife (within the organisation, MrsD was tryin to poach her for a project)
She went radio silent on Monday, and they assumed she was either off duty or had enough (agency worker, so could flounce easy enough)
Tried calling and emailing, but no response, now it turns out she is fully missing.

Obviously it is unlikely anyone here can help, but it is a largely London based community, and if anyone is SE and has seen her, please call 101.~~

Update: this has a sad outcome

It's an interesting insight into the complexities of modern supply chains that increasing gas prices cause fertiliser production to slow which in turn causes a shortage of CO2 (oh the irony) for packaging processed meats.

And CO2 for stunning animals before killing them. I read something about how someone saw a farmer brought to tears because they'd have to kill all their pigs that they'd lovingly raised, like that's not what they get shipped off for anyway, I assume the tears were for lost revenue and not that they thought they were all going off to live on a slightly different farm until then.

Many farmers do care about their animals. They feel a sense of duty to provide food for people. It's a calling.

We might not understand it but the farmers brought to tears about their animals potentially being slaughtered in the fields and burned on a pyre rather than taken to an abattoir and ultimately eaten, feel a sense of waste of those animal's lives.

Poor them

Or at least that's what a good friend of mine who is a farmer told me when he was distraught at losing a herd of cattle to TB. He was insured so wasn't going to lose out financially. He was distraught at the waste of life.

Tbf to the farmer, slaughtering animals for food is easier to accept than having their premature deaths serve no greater purpose.

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Fully this.

Father in law is a beef farmer, knows everyone of his cows by name, is always sad when they go off to market, but is really pissed off when he loses one prematurely to something like TB, which is absolutely rife down here at the moment.

I understand it to a point but there's a lot of mental gymnastics going on there at the same time to accept one and be upset at the other.

Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

Do they eat their own animals as well?

I understand it to a point but there's a lot of mental gymnastics going on there at the same time to accept one and be upset at the other.

You'd understand it even more if you'd been raised as an nth generation farmer. Humans are great at mental gymnastics. We all are.

“Sebastian sure taste nice tonight, can you pass Gordon please?”

A mate of mine reared pigs (fnar fnar) for a while.
He took great pleasure in telling us we were "tucking into Mabel" when he made us bacon sandwiches.
He had various cuts labeled in the fridge with the names he gave them.
Eventually he gave up farming and joined the army.

Really? I don’t think it is so weird - it is pretty normal to think that we as humans do eat meat and that is part of a hierarchy of life, but that doesn’t mean that the lives of those animals mean nothing. Isn’t it just trying to be an ethical meat eater to accept that we may still rear and kill animals but if we’re going to do so, we should value that?

Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

I believe it's known as "the meat paradox" in academic circles.

I find that fully weird, but I'm one of those vegan types. I was more getting at the actual farmer, who's well versed in the fact that animals get merked, getting upset that the animal might get merked slightly differently.

I thought that was your roast being both cooked and uncooked until you test to see if the juices run clear.

So how does veal/lamb fit in? Not such a big deal since there's not been time to get attached to it? Only name the animals if they get past the young-meat cutoff?

No, they will still get attached they just have a pragmatic way of dealing with livestock

(Source: son of former farmer)
(ps. as in all walks of life, not all people pursing the same vocation are the same, some are just mean cold hearted bastards)

Guess if you don't mind killing animals for money if it results in food, you're not going to fret about killing 'puppies' as long as they feeding people. I think most animals are still very young when they are dispatched anyway.

Loads of bacon eating muppets on my social media recently saying how the Faroese are such bastards for killing dolphins for food...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58555694

So how does veal/lamb fit in? Not such a big deal since there's not been time to get attached to it? Only name the animals if they get past the young-meat cutoff?

I watched some veal calves being separated from their mothers in Austria a few years ago. The thing that struck me most was how un-traumatic it was for a human witness. The mother cows appeared to forget about their young within twenty minutes or so. I can totally see how somebody could convince themselves that it wasn't cruel. To be fair, this was an unusually high welfare arrangement. Think sound of music style meadows rather than battery farming.

So how does veal/lamb

Tasty babies. #propaganda