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yeah, they are.
The deda doesn't come in -17, sworks comes in -12, zipp used to do a nice slim -17 SL stem but now it's gone all chunky.
-17 and slim is hard to come by in my experience - if you find one (that comes in 130mm) let me know as I really want one for my speedvagen
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These older Service Course SL ones are the slimmer (than current) ones. They come in 17.
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@ghostface Excellent, thanks!
Would you expect both to be always 1 1/8" to 31.8mm ?
I'll be hunting ideally for a -17 degree stem.