Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

Yeah, I'm 100% up for discriminating against antivaxxers. But who are people that cannot have the vaccine?

I believe some people are allergic to the ingredients in some of the vacancies. I don't know if that means you have to have one of the other ones or if there is a common ingredient.

Edit: polyethylene glycol in the mRNA vaccines, not in the others. Might depend where you are in the world, what is approved, your age etc.

Well AZ and Pfizer work in completely different ways so I'd assume if you're allergic to one you're ok with the other but anyway if there's a reason you can't have it then I'd expect there to be exceptions for any sort of vaccine passport and then it's even more important that people around them are jabbed. Antivaxxers can get fucked.

It's very rare but some people react badly to vaccinations.

I'm still on the fence on vax passpors. Yes most antivaxxers are just being stubborn ejits.

It can backfire in the long run perhaps.

Mistrust against big pharma l, government and healthcare aren't fruitloop paranoid Facebook groups thoughts in some minority groups.

So "forcing" them may really make things worse.

Mate of mine now has it, met a few people. They all tested negative.

No festivals just been to the shops, working from home...

She got one jab so hopefully she's comes out of it ok.

Mistrust against big pharma l, government and healthcare aren't fruitloop paranoid Facebook groups thoughts in some minority groups.

So "forcing" them may really make things worse.

Published:September 09, 2021

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00389-8/fulltext

"We find that a large minority of respondents report that vaccination passports for domestic use (46·5%) or international travel (42·0%) would make them no more or less inclined to accept a COVID-19 vaccine..."

"However, we find that the introduction of vaccine passports will likely lower inclination to accept a COVID-19 vaccine once baseline vaccination intent has been adjusted for. This decrease is larger if passports were required for domestic use rather than for facilitating international travel. Being male (OR 0·87, 0·76 to 0·99) and having degree qualifications (OR 0·84, 0·72 to 0·94) is associated with a decreased inclination to vaccinate if passports were required for domestic use... "

Tx!

Will have a read.

17 kids off in my son's class, due to close contact to people that tested Covid positive.

Negative test for him, he does have a random sickness cos school is back.

Our turn next week then for that one 😁

Can I ask a naive non loaded question that hopefully someone can genuinely help with. It’s usually it’s end weird conspiracy answers or why would you care if you are vaccinated.

If I can still get and transmit with the vaccine what does the passport achieve.

Again genuine question zero trolling looking for genuine understanding.

While still possible to get it and spread it while vaccinated it is a reduced chance.

So whilst not perfect, a group of vaccinated people socialising would still result in fewer cases than a group of un vaccinated or a mixed group.

Passport encourages people in lower uptake groups to get vaccinated, currently majority of the people in hospital are not vaccinated, if they had been they likely wouldn't of needed hospitalisation. You can still catch it, you can still spread it but both are less likely and if you do catch it the severity of the infection should be reduced so they are attempting to nudge people in that direction.

Makes sense.

Are they also not opening up human rights issues with it that would out weigh this benefit? Or is it a do it fast and hope it works before anyone gets that far.

Again I’m only trying to understand.

Link to BMJ I posted 2 months ago

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n111­2

"A total of 552 984 residential households with 2-10 people where there was at least one case were included. In households where the index case was not vaccinated before testing positive, the study found 96 898 secondary cases from 960 765 household contacts (10.1%).

Meanwhile, in households where the index case received the AstraZeneca vaccine 21 days or more before testing positive, 196 secondary cases were seen in 3424 contacts (5.72%). With the Pfizer vaccine (one dose 21 days or more before testing positive), 371 secondary cases were found in 5939 contacts (6.25%)"

However they are currently looking into the viral load being carried in vaccinated people as delta variant seems to match that of unvax. I'll have to find that link later but it's not conclusive yet.

Edit: mentioned link https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-infection-unvaccinated-and-vaccinated-people-have-similar-levels-of-virus

I also already own a vaccine passport for travel, yellow fever etc, and aware of issues in company with needing staff to have this.

Signing forms to say I am willing to have this and have my medical record* used and viewed by people in the business/clients

*vaccines for travel not the special cream I got one time.

we find that the introduction of vaccine passports will likely lower inclination to accept a COVID-19 vaccine

Don't care. Anything which helps keep dumbfuck anti-vaxxers away from 5g'd up non-idiots is fine by me.

Are they also not opening up human rights issues with it that would out weigh this benefit?

I'm not sure the ECHR recognises the right to spread diseases due to being an ignorant dumbfuck as a fundamental human right.

Are they also not opening up human rights issues with it that would out weigh this benefit?

What about the rights of everyone else who would like to get on with life as normal, but are being held back by a contrarian minority? And the rights of those who are immunocompromised and rely on the rest of society to do the right thing?

Sadly, not arguments that entitled hyper-individualist arsehats generally acknowledge as valid.

Thanks for the helpful reasoning. I could have got those replies on any social media I was after a bit more thought through responses.

OK Trollolololol. You tell us why people should be entitled to spread a potentially infectious disease due to being either selfish or an idiot. Let's hear your 'helpful reasoning', if you can manage to ignore the Billy goats and climb out from under the bridge.

Again genuine question zero trolling looking for genuine understanding.

Second post ever and you’re claiming not to troll, a year and a half since the first lockdown.

Hop off the high horse.

I’m asking questions for a better understanding of the positions and reasoning it’s how we grow as people and a society.

This is a reasonable intelligible answer thank you.

Yes I’m asking so I can understand and answer question intelligently and thought through.

Is this an issue?

Also second post… is this a tiered society in here? Do I need a certain amount of years before asking a question? Can I get the number of posts before I can ask

Your responses do come across very aggressive and polarising and you'll find people will just shut down and keep their ideas to themselves instead of engaging. That doesn't help anyone. Also, vaccine hesitancy and AntiVaxxx are not, and should not, be treated as the same thing.