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I've shown that the American Staffy is the Pit Bull, they're the same dog
It's your opinion, but I don't see how you've shown it. Different size, different shape, different structure - similar but not the same. A bit like Vizslas and Weimaraners.
The only genuine reason I can think of for people trying to claim a current American Staffy is totally not a pit bull is to try and deny their dangerous genetics.
Actually, not far off. People in the UK who are breeding pits (and there's not many) and are stupid enough to be selling them online, will call them American Bullies or Amstaffs to try to get around the DDA. They're still different :)
Markyboy-
It's your opinion, but I don't see how you've shown it
Ok so here in England we had the Old English Bulldog used for bull baiting. That got made illegal so people moved on to dog fighting and started breeding the bulldog with the Old English Terrier to create a more aggressive dog for fighting. Those new cross breed dogs were called the Staffordshire Terrier or Pit Bull, litereally bulldogs that fight in a pit, and some were taken over to the USA in the late C19th.
Back here in England one man in particular decided to try and breed our Staffordshire Terriers to be more docile and better companions. In the USA they did not do that. It's why the English and American Staffys look different. Sure in the 100 years since they were first introduced some have tried to create a distinction between "pit bulls" and staffys and looking at the statistics I'd agree that the American Staffy does seem to be responsible for less attacks than that regarded as a pure Pit Bull, but that doesn't mean the Am Staffy doesn't still have it within itself and again the statistics back that up.None of this is hidden info, it's all there to read and I put links to a bunch of it.
Sumo
I appreciate it's not a helpful comment but it was in direct response to:
Markyboy:
"I didn't say the AKC and others recognise the pit bull, I said it is the Amstaff...
Unfortunately, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about and, if you're using Wikipedia as your source, then I'm not surprised. It's too late to explain and you wouldn't be interested, which is of course your prerogative."
Sumo:
"Bulldogs got their name from fighting bulls, they're the most dangerous type of dog by far. I don't care if someone's bred some to have shorter legs and made up a new name for it."
Markyboy :
"Lol, how can you get so much wrong in two sentences?"
I've shown that the American Staffy is the Pit Bull, they're the same dog, some people may have tried to breed different branches of them since they were first introduced to the USA but claiming they're different is wrong.
I've also shown that pit bull type dogs have the greatest history of violence towards other dogs and people. So both my points were factually correct.
Our point of disagreement here is whether american staffys, american bulldogs, american XLs, bull terriers etc are different dogs and I'd argue that they aren't at all, sure some may have a bit of Mastiff in them to make them taller or whatever but the traits of the breed continue. The only ones I'd separate out are the original, pre-terrier bulldogs. The only genuine reason I can think of for people trying to claim a current American Staffy is totally not a pit bull is to try and deny their dangerous genetics.