Overheard at the LFGSS golf club bar

I'm presuming they mean bricklayer, rather than a thick person. But I'm still surprised you've not heard it used like that?

I'm presuming he means bricklayer

Yeah, couldn't be a leccy, to much maths

who is maintaining the .xls list of lfgss users who went to private and state schools

I'm aware of my privilege having gone to those schools but I'm also aware my parents worked really hard for every waking hour and still struggled a lot. My grand parents had money, it went to schooling then frittered away to nothing.

Yes, I understood it as bricklayer. Didn't even think about it being a pejorative for a "thick person" but maybe that's implied since the good education meant avoiding such a job?

I dunno, just hadn't heard the term before, genuinely.

So did I...

I suspect you could solve a lot of what is wrong in the UK by banning the children of MP's from using anything other than state funded schools - if Mum becomes an MP then the kids are removed from Charterhouse at that point and sent to Guildford etc.

Strong evidence that the UK education system is capable of producing first class creative writing!

More that grammar schools produce plagiarists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTJj4wbmAhk

It's a Google Sheet. We're not paying for Office! What kind of revolution do you think this is?

I went to a private primary school in Colombia then a terrible all-boys state secondary school in South London followed by a somewhat less terrible state sixth form. Secondary school was just boredom, bullying, violence, petty crime and a long line of emotionally broken teachers. So much poverty, kids from broken homes or where domestic and/or substance abuse was rife, the police where at the school gates every other week, it was all-round thoroughly shit.

Somebody I knew tried to keep track of how many from our school year of 150 were serving time or dead. At last count a few years ago it was 15 in prison and 5 dead. It seemed like the only kids who kept their heads down and wanted to go to sixth form and beyond were the ones with a strong guiding hand at home. Sixth form was less shit; there were girls, fake IDs and pubs.

I turned out alright because of my parents, they didn't have a pot to piss in but somehow I never really wanted for anything. Through various grants, initiatives and pure luck whenever I wasn't in school I was playing tennis, so that kept me out of trouble all the way through to University.

Google is a perpetuator of the status quo. Use libre instead.

just to add, I think church schools should be abolished before generic private schools.

I don't think the general population would be willing to have an appreciable rise in council tax to facilitate this if implemented all of a sudden.

Faith schools are part funded (10%-25%) by the church/synagogue/etc that they are linked to. The children they educate would still need to go to a school so if this funding disappears the Government have to make up the difference or they have to find new schools in the same area (which generally there aren't).

Also, many of the faith schools are on land not owned by the local authority. There would be a huge real estate bill to buy it to run a non-faith school on the same site.

The government are dealing with this (slowly) in that any new faith school being built is capped at a maximum of 50% faith entry. I can see this slowly being increased over time to eventually separate faith and school. (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_50%25_Rule)

(Disclosure: My daughter goes to a faith school so I'm not entirely impartial, however as an atheist myself [my wife does the religion bit] I'm often surprised at what people seem to think goes on in a faith school. There is no creationism being taught.)

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The children they educate

Indoctrinate.

I went to a C of E primary school and I am now a vicar it is true.

The children they educate

Indoctrinate.

That's a rather simplistic view.

I'm an atheist parent of a child who's being educated at a faith school. I see no indoctrination.

I'm not saying there is no indoctrination at all within any faith school, but then each school will vary. In the same way that not all public schools remove all sense of moral/ethical correctness in their pupils and instill supreme arrogance. And that not all state schools leave the thick kids at the back to eat crayons and never give them any form of support.

what people seem to think goes on in a faith school. There is no creationism being taught.)

That all depends on which school though, right?

Also, what of state-funded faith schools? They can get to fuck as far as I'm concerned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_school#Issues_about_faith_schools_in_the_UK

Along with the monarchy I don't want my money going to people that believe in fairies and shit.

I went to a C of E primary school and I am now a vicar it is true.

Vicar of Dribbly (brakes)

I think the best way is just to make it illegal to only accept students based on faith and make religious events optional. The church can still pay for it all if they want but refusing to accept kids from families that don't go to the local church is only going to perpetuate the cycle.

I feel cheated

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All schools indoctrinate, whether in proletarian middle/working class worldviews (meritocracy myth, hard work = virtue, constant submission to ‘legitimate’ or ‘elected’ authority, study-work-retire, etc.), or belief in fantastical creatures that love/hate humanity. IME the second makes people more easy to manipulate than the first, and should be abolished for under 18s.

It's a Google Sheet. We're not paying for Office! What kind of revolution do you think this is?

If it's a .xls file, it's likely a very old perpetual version of Excel

Also, what of state-funded faith schools? They can get to fuck as far as I'm concerned.

That's partly my point. The faith side provides some of the funding, so if you get rid of that then the Government has to pick up the shortfall. That's a fuckload of money each year across 33% of schools and that's going to come from a hike in Council Tax.

Having some control over the admissions criteria is exactly the reason why the faith schools exist. The more progressive schools are opening up more and more places to the local community (irrespective of practice), and new schools are bound by the 50% cap.

In many schools the places always drop down to the "any or no faith" criteria. It's just specific schools in densely populated bits of London where it never gets past the "regular practitioner" sections of the criteria and there's a ballot amongst that cohort for the places.