Which Groupset?

the only reason to chose shimano over sram in 12 speed is to avoid that fucking chain .. unless they let sunrace or KMC make it

I am mentally not ready for 150 quid cassettes either

Shimano cassettes are not far off now.

Would agree, and the wheels. Unless all off Strava, I can’t see however you had more then one or two cassettes the last five years?

Thing is, Hyperglide is real, for all the benefits of AXS wireless, shifting is better on Shimano, it just is, and that’s before we get to (continual) questionable front shifting on Sram, they’ve always struggled with it and I can confirm £2k of Sram AXS and it still isn’t as slick as campag/Shimano.

The next few years will be really interesting, we may see Sram overtake Shimano if they play their cards right, but it may be for the wrong reasons.

Surely more bikes then cassettes.

I can’t see however you had more then one or two cassettes the last five years?

and I wont for a long time, I have two separate stacks of turbo only cassettes (Sram 1130 12-25) and normal cassettes in the shed (6800, Sram 1170 11-28), what after that? I worry

I am mentally not ready for 150 quid cassettes either

this is now my main qualm with AXS. stock levels aside - fuck me are the components expensive. and you need to buy a new driver for your old shimano friendly hub

Shimano have had so, so, so many warranty issues on modern Di2 parts

tfw i still can't ride my new fairlight because it was shipped with a faulty di2 derailleur

and you need to buy a new driver for your old shimano friendly hub

I'd assume with 12 speed shimano would do the same with microspline. Shimano trickles down well though, even Formula make microspline freehub. No1 wants to ride Sram in Asia.

Is there any word yet on shimano 12 speed road cassettes being microspline or not?

TBF, I’d have blamed that on Fairlight personally….. that should have been spotted when the bike was assembled…. Especially for a company that operates in the way Fairlight does (basically pre-selling everything and manufacturing/assembling in short runs), and markets themselves on being better quality than the big brands.

they are sorting me a new derailleur - i think when it was set up initially it worked well enough in the stand for them to presume it was a-okay. bike shop who verified it was fucked said they had never seen another faulty one

Yeah. Likewise - cries in Campagnolo $200 cassettes. BUT. They last for fucking ages. I now have over 7000km on the same cassette and it still shifts flawlessly and looks new. It’s insane.

doesn't rain in LA

That is also true. One wet ride on the Seven since last July. Lol.

And is it more reliable?

Anecdotally. Yes. I’ve warrantied 5 fold more AXS parts over the past year than Di2. The wait list is longer too.

I am biased towards neither. If I had to spec my next bike, it’d be mullet AXS.
That doesn’t change my experience, I’ve had more failed AXS components then Di2. It’s a far more user friendly system.

You can at least know what the fuck is wrong with Di2 than AXS, which gives you nothing.
Most issues are battery related.

I'm ok with e-tube for a road bike tbh, as has been said it's not like it's a constant task - but my opinion changes when it comes to a full suspension bike, routing cables around that when there's a wireless option really highlights the advantage of not having any.

My AXS shifting on Shimano HG+ cassette/chain/chainring is working very well, also.

You all wait till a left shifter battery dies

Interesting. Thanks. Presumably more people ride Di2 as well so the percentage should not look that way!

Have both AXS (mostly Force, with Red arms/cassette) and GRX Di2 on two separate bikes. GRX ergonomics are good, extra buttons are welcome, but what's up with that noise? Even rear shifting is so noisy (servo/gear noise) is my bike doing the robot???

I've set up both systems myself:

• Di2 cable, even heatshrunk to the hydro hose is fugly. The grommet keeps popping up by itself. And I don't ride it that much either, it usually sits weeks on end, waiting for rad gravel friends which never come (sad face) or are off doing stuff in Epping.
  
• It's a hassle to bleed Shimano hydro in general, can't seem to get rid of all the bubbles with ease. Not the same with AXS and DOT fluid so far. I'm lucky that I purchased GRX with hoses/levers/callipers pre-filled so no serious bleeding was necessary at the start, but my previous Ultegra setup was a nightmare to get right.
  
• Dropped the chain on the FD with AXS just once so far, and it was partly my fault. Shifting is crisp and quiet. 12sp is unnecessary but I'll live with it. Force flattop chain isn't extremely expensive at <30 quid a pop. Setup was easy.
  
• SRAM Paceline rotors are bad if you're doing the CenterLock thing. The interface is a loose fit on my DT240EXP and no amount of torque fixed it in my case. I've taken them off and mounted DA rotors (from Germany as that's where I could only find stock) instead. Maybe should've stuck with Centerline XRs, but the provided rotors were 160 and not 140.
  
• I still have some (3 or 4 I think, as backup) bleed screws for Shimano, made of butter. Also have a specific Wera allen key (Hex Plus) just for the butter screws. Just in case.
  
  
  

10-day edit: Don't use DA rotors with SRAM callipers, doesn't really work. https://www.lfgss.com/comments/16170447/

I think you must be the only person I've ever heard of that prefers bleeding SRAM over Shimano.

have never had a problem bleeding any shimano setup personally.. is grx odd? isnt it just beefy 105 ?

I also prefer bleeding Sram over shimano because of 2 syringes; creates more compression and pushes air more effectively. I just hate DOT5.1.

Also I love that sram uses torx everywhere.

GRX is just as easy as the rest, using 2 syringes works fine on Shimano too but the little cup is great for burping bubbles, new brakes just syringe up the fluid into the cup from the caliper, then squeeze a bit back and burp any bubbles, the bleed will stay good pretty much until something else goes wrong. SRAM are a bit better than they used to be but I'm still annoyed with old avid brakes, and DOT is meant to be bled on the reg, plus all the SRAM MTB brake levers fuck up.

I think you must be the only person I've ever heard of that prefers bleeding SRAM over Shimano.

Ha! Not a chance. I find sram much much easier. Especially with the callipers that use the bleeding edge port.