• I mean this is straight nonsense because you’ve got a boner for 500bhp wagons (but it’s ok because it’s petrol not diesel), let’s not pretend.

    I like you man, but saying 268bhp isn’t enough is a bit daft.

  • I mean this is straight nonsense because you’ve got a boner for 500bhp wagons

    this did make me laugh and also a very fair point.

    there's been a steady escalation in power outputs - cosworth sierra had just 204hp and was thought of as pretty radical when it was first released.

    I'm not sure where / when you really need over 250BHP, but i've never driven an AMG merc or a BMW M car so maybe i just don't know what i'm missing.

  • I'm not sure where / when you really need over 250BHP

    I've got a Seat Leon Cupra with 300bhp and that thing is an absolute rocket. I can't think of a single time when I've needed all the power on the road. Have I buried the throttle for shits and giggles? Yes, but do it for longer than a few seconds and you're into driving ban territory.

  • Isn’t this partially about modern cars being heavy (/safe) and needing to keep the power to weight ratio up?

  • I get it, but if someone’s coming from an e46 330i they’re not going to feel underpowered in a 268bhp 7 series.
    95-99% of this forum will drive cars under 268bhp FFS.

  • there's been a steady escalation in power outputs - cosworth sierra had just 204hp and was thought of as pretty radical when it was first released.

    That was road trim too, the performance race/rally were around 350 and then the RS500 and that developed 350bhp in road trim and 450bhp if you used the second set of injectors that present on the engine but not activated.

    At the time the mk1 1.6 golf gti had 110bhp? and the MK2 1.8 golf gti was 125bhp?

    BHP figures from memory...

    Elgonzo has 300 on something as 'normal' as an every day car.

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