I hate

I think people get worried about "long term"side effects that haven't been tested because people haven't actually seen what happens to people 5 years after taking it or whatever. Telling them that large parts of the vaccines were looked at and tested years ago and that with almost all other drugs tested, almost all side effects show up within a short period so these should be no different doesn't seem to help. Are there any cases of actual long term side effects from other vaccines or even short term drugs causing side effects a long time after administration. The main one is thalidomide I guess, but that was used against it's recommendations and has led to more stringent regulations.

My anti-vax mother brought up Pandemrix induced narcolepsy, although from what I can find the onset of symptoms was quite fast.

She now plays the 'we shouldn't interfere with nature card' which is pretty rich coming from someone who has been taking a small fortune of alternative medicine supplements daily for years.

Tbf their main beef was with the characterisation of him as an antivaxer by people with zero knowledge just because they were asking what they felt were legitimate questions. So on that no. But I don't think they've been vaccinated as they don't see covid as a risk for them.

I should say that I have zero knowledge of what actually happened with the covid vaccines. But just to describe one small part of one phase in the trials process. Before you start, say, the first human trial (2b) you have to submit the trial plan to the national regulatory authority - which is normally a queue system. So you write it, wait your turn, they review, come back with questions and comments, you'll answer them, adapt the trail, rewrite, resubmit, potentially repeat again. At the time the phase 2a trial I was involved with was submitted there was a TB outbreak. This lead to concerns about how this had been factored into our trial as well as being pushed down the queue. So just getting our trial approved went from 6m to close to a year. Which then impacted our slot at the clinical trials facility...etc...etc...

All the while you've got the commercial sensitivities of how profitable our job was Vs others and what time weighting contractors are going to give it.

As a non-clinical person, I can well imagine the actual work done for what I've described could have been knocked out in two days of conference calls with a decent skilled team and no real world commercial pressures.

A friend of mine went deaf due to an allergic reaction to a widely used antibiotic (that is no longer produced). Other than that, I can't think of anything that I have come across personally. That was in the sixties.

Had a friend who went 80/60% deaf from a reaction to an antibiotic as an infant in the 80s but crucially this was in a developing country.

You do still have what were previously unknown side effects, like the heavy periods which probably don't help the whole infertility thing.

which is pretty rich coming from someone who has been taking a small fortune of alternative medicine supplements daily for years.

Reminds me of the acidification website a former colleague sent me to. So big pharma is all about money, but yet this page you've sent me has more product hyperlinks than a 00's porn site. Right.

The most important long term side effect of vaccinations is not being dead.

Isotretinoin springs to mind.

Obviously, I'm double vaxxed invincible, was more wondering if there are cases of something having a missed unknown side effect that happens a few years down the line from administration, rather than long term known side effects considered acceptable at the time.

That fockin Virgin advert all over YouTube at the moment of the girl making a shit song out of her dead dads band

I am pretty sure that my continued existence is not considered acceptable by the majority of humanity.

If you search hard enough you are certain to find an unexpected side effect years later. All of life is betting, scientists are bookies in the same way that insurance agents are, the odds favour being alive over the risk of side effects. You can't check for side effects on someone who has died from the original disease. Vaccines are a main contributing factor to a World increasingly overpopulated by old gits like me who just won't die.

What I really want is for someone to say no, do I can tell the people worried about it they it just doesn't happen. I've tried the whole vanishingly small chance thing but they tend to focus on the small chance, even though the death by Covid chance is much bigger, also tried saying that blood clot AZ stuff being picked up is a good thing because it's shows how on the ball people are and how over cautious they are as there are drugs taken all the time with higher chances to cause clots.

I hate that?

Send all the anti vaxxers along with the conspiracy theorists and flat earthers to the newly independent Republic of Lincolnshire Fenland. At least the flat earthers would like it there and nobody would miss the Fens much. Leave them to the tender mercies of the Fenland Homeopathic Service (FHS) and see how they do.

Oh, and man the borders with ex-Stasi guards.

Fenland Homeopathic Service (FHS)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

I have never seen that, thank you, it is precisely what I envisaged!

Aren't allergies to antibiotics quite common? My mum was allergic to penicillin and some other similar ones

I guess so but this was an antibiotic that caused a lot of people to lose their hearing despite passing trials. Will link to it when I remember the name.

Not seen that one but totally fed up with the Zwift one which is thrown in my direction in the vast majority of vids I’m watching.

I just keep getting some bellend trying to sell me a currency trading webinar

"wait don't click that button, i know you want to watch that video but i can..."
Not sure what she can, but i hit the skip button.
(cannot run pure tuber on my work computer)

'If you've got a perfect life, then this video isn't for you, go ahead and press that sk...'

Oh, is it the fellow with a stupid Sharpied-on beard, or the one with his name embroidered on his polo shirt? Or his arm in a fancy sling? I’d rather learn why propping my bog seat up with a roll inner made sense. Which it obviously doesn’t. I guess it’s like the old school Nigerian prince scams, they are looking for people who are certifiable mugs. Or perhaps Google are hoping to irritate me enough to pay for ad-free YouTube?

Gentamycin, streptomycin, neomycin (aminoglycosides) can cause hearing loss iirc . Have used Gentamycin in hospital setting but not for donkeys years. Neomycin available as a cream.

Polo shirt whopper. That's the one