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sat here surrounded by goods made by children in third world countries whilst the bosses fly off in to space
nicely put.
I'd like to see a bit more transparency on the sustainability (or otherwise, I just don't know at this point) of Li or other forms of battery. At the moment, it does feel as though we are exporting our pollution to places conveniently out of sight.
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I'm on this team. The latest vehicles definitely produce less local emmisions, but their supply chain is worse than ever (haven't a source, but internet reckoning says so) as there is so much high technology and so many scarse materials.
If your using it for business/commute miles where no other useful choice, and decent miles (20-40k a year) great, its the ones (on my street), who get the latest toyota/lexus/porsche hybrid which is likely £50-90k vehicle, and only do 4k miles a year. Yes local emissions very low, very commendable, but globally, not so great.
My 20+ year old diesel lives again after an engine rebuild, runs as clean as it did when new now despite 300k on it (euro 2 though), don't use it for city as have bikes, legs, trains and a cargo bike. Also has less rust than a 2015 Focus, so win there as well!
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I drive a 190k 20year old diesel that does 60mpg. It burns fuel efficiently albeit leaving nasty particulates unburnt. I'm doing this in my own country and seeing and feeling guilty on the effects of it. There is a revulsion to the tons of the stuff that it has chucked out over the years. But, the amount of harm its production caused is diminishing by every mile that gets put on to it. The parts for maintenance are similar to any new vehicle and parts for repair come from a pool of vehicles life expired.
What I am not doing is sitting in my EV feeling holier than though, whilst swathes of, generally, the third world is being dug up and poisoned whilst using child labour to do it.
Ethical values, we all need more and need to know where to place them. Don't get me wrong, I'm the last to be righteous, (and preaching) sat here surrounded by goods made by children in third word countries whilst the bosses fly off in to space.
But I don't feel good about it.