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I've always sized big-big without derailler and then added a link (two rivets) as in Park Tools easy method
https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/chain-length-sizing
(don't forget the quick link counts)
hippy
swedeee
as i said - if it is too tight in it just won't shift (which was the original problem if you look back a few pages)
thanks all for the considerations on chain length. I will review and get back to you!