• How can you discuss with people like this?

    Why are you posting this horseshit? I don't even know who Francesca Martinez is let alone some cretin who posted that on her Facebook wall. Just ignore it.

    Edit: Its not even one post. Did you really just copy and paste 5 different posts from the same person just to make it super readable and paste it on another platform?!

  • Am posting as this is a discussion thread, and there are people with this opinion that is quite out there. Was a genuine question, how can you discuss covid with people with this opinion. Is it a case of ignoring or trying to interact with science.

    I copied three post from Francesca page as I'm was wondering if there is a reply as it makes me uncomfortable/upset that people have died and this is the reaction.

    Francesca Martinez is a comedian, actor, disability activist and socialist.

  • how can you discuss covid with people with this opinion

    I don't think you'll be able to have any kind of a discussion with them and therefore I probably wouldn't bother.

    Some people on the Internet are just wrong (cue xkcd link) and there's no little or no point attempting to "help" them.

    I'd just assume that someone else with more time and energy will attempt to fight them, and I'd just move on.

  • I didn't realise this wasn't rhetorical.
    Apart from debunking the meme generator (64000 did not die of flu in the winter 2017/2018) you need to explain the percentages for the covid denial "I don't know anyone that caught it" (and I hope my maths is right because it's how I explain it)
    TLDR you don't know as many people as you think you do.

    5160000 cases in the UK = 7.6% of the population.
    If they have 1000 friends inc social media that is only 0.0015% of the population. If their friends are also covid deniers they probably won't get a pcr test if they felt ill anyway, so it's quite probable they don't know someone who has been diagnosed with covid.

    Increasing it to 1 degree of seperation: 1000 different friends of freinds each is 1'000'000 people which is still only 1.5% of the population.
    So you can see how there are plenty of people who don't know anyone who has had covid, but also how few people they actually know compared to the complete picture. 67 million people could have covid and it still be statistically possible that nobody in your 1 degree of seperation have it.

    Does that make sense? Of my covid denying contacts nobody has called me out on it. I was getting whataboustism in reply (usually memeXcore research) but it has been slowly diminishing - maybe they're just not engaging with me but I'd like to think I've made a difference.

    I get very anxious about posting stuff like this and I don't intend to mislead anyone, so I'm happy to take it down if it's just plain wrong.

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