• i think the argument against them is twofolds;

    they rattle off road

    you cant install racks on all bikes like a carbon road bike

  • i think the argument against them is twofolds;

    They weight a fucking tonnes.

    Like, a pair of Ortieb Classic panniers is 1.9kg, add a rear rack (420g, Tubus Fly), and you now have a good 2.32kg of weight on the rear before you even filled the bag up.

    *edited to clarify which Ortlieb model.

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