• On the subject of rattling panniers, I bought a pair of Ortlieb Gravel (yeah, I know) ones recently and the (now double) hooks at the bottom are very adjustable (rail, depth and angle) and properly secure the bags onto the rack. Price is pretty good too considering the quality.

  • With a full Ortlieb, properly hooked, I tend to only get a bit of rattle. Have also wrapped a lot of tape on my rack at the contact points and get that bottom hook as tight as possible. I guess it is the price you pay for the ease of removal. It's usually the plastic bit at the bottom that clangs or if you pack stuff without padding out the bottom with a jacket or whatever.

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