• As the home office has not returned my passport as requested weeks ago and is still sitting on my citizenship application...I'll be one of the furrin' applying to EUSS late (today) with the paper form as... No current ID.

    I'm not bothered about it as no plans to travel and application proof protects your rights. Partner and son are both British dual nationals.

    Besides citizenship may land before EUSS...we shall see.

    But truly one hand of the HO has all my details / ID and the other hand hasn't a clue / cannot access those, no warning letter, no letter from anyone, 18 years of tax records... 😁

    I can see the absurdity but many people are ultra stressed due to different circumstances, border office being twats when travelling back into UK...

  • IIRC your passport issuing authority may forbid you from sending your passport to the HO, and the HO’s legal right to demand that you do so is also questionable. This from reading threads on Twitter about the subject from a while ago, so may of course be total bollocks.

  • Perhaps? It was never brought up on the Dutch forums I am on. But... perhaps some countries don't allow it.

    I sent it as I wanted to avoid those %$%£%$ of Sopra Steria, you can pay for a certified copy there. You can ALSO copy ALL pages at a solicitor (also not free) but with lockdown last year that was just tricky.

    Ended up having to pay them anyway for biometrics at Sopra Steria anyway...which used to be £25 at the post office with many appointments to £80 and very few.

    Yey.

    Lovely local staff, just utter ballicks of outsourcing in plain view. More expensive, worse service.

  • I haven’t seen the sources for those claims, but it seems to me to be half truths. Technically an issuing government can forbid the holder from doing anything with the passport, including send it away for immigration purposes, but it would be unusual.

    In theory, since national passports are the property of their sovereign issuer, foreign governments can’t impound or retain them either. However, it is understood that foreign governments can require the document to be sent to them for visa and other purposes.

    In practice, retention happens a lot, like in US court cases where there’s a flight risk and the judge doesn’t care about breaking international treaties, or when hotels keep travellers documents to guarantee payment for a room. Is it legal? Very likely not, but it’s normal.

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