• Ye you can find out a lot from all those Marin catalogues on retrobike.

    There's a few bikes that sat lower in the hierarchy but still had the same frames as ones higher up, bargains to be had on Ebay and gumtree.

  • Good shout - just looking through a few catalogues and it looks like everything from the Pine Mountain through to the Bear Valley (non SE) has the same frame - double butted Tange cromo / double butted stays. What changed between models was the build.

    Any lower than that and you start to lose double-buttedness, it seems.

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