EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I'm enjoying the government saying that the checks GB-NI are absolutely, 100% intolerable and are destroying trade whilst the exact same checks GB-EU are absolutely fine and just what we want. and are indeed great for trade.

It's our choice though, innit - we want to reduce the (apparently intolerable) checks GB-NI then we sign up for SPS equivalence, with whatever governance is required.

How dare you, you traitor? This is clearly all the fault of the inflexible EU in not agreeing to the UK being a customs back door to any old crap that anyone wants to import into the EU, bypassing EU regulations, while at the same time trying to prevent the UK being a state-subsidised tax haven on their own doorstep. The inflexible bastards.

I'm sure the EU-subsidised tax haven that is Eire has enough to worry about with the possibility of a Sinn Fein led NI. The officials of the 3rd Dail must be concerned.

I'm sure the EU-subsidised tax haven that is Eire

Which is governed by EU rules on state subsidies, hence the ECJ case involving the Republic of Ireland and Apple. Really, if you're going to try for a gotcha, it needs to be better than that. That's just embarrassingly non-equivalent.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/CR_OBrien/status/1397892768295493633

Serious problems incoming for EU nationals that don't get EUSS in time...in some cases, even if they applied in time.

Not the brexit people voted for strikes again.

That is the mess we are in now. I think it's pointless to be angry all the time but now what?

In that sense there are no good answers, I doubt people want this but they don't protest either.

Not the brexit people voted for strikes again.

It isn't?

I don't think there is a single Brexit that was voted for but I'm sure some people that voted for it want 'all foreigners to go home'.

In fairness, only hardcore Tory/UKIP voters be like that and they aren't a majority.

Even THEY would mostly not agree with kicking people out that already have a right to stay and worked. Heck, the UKIPers didn't.

It was also promised things would stay the same.

But nobody is asked and they have moved on, so the result is the same.

The Tory party is also a cold house for people that want to be reasonable, but again it doesn't help anybody.

So now what, does it have to go badly wrong, then be all over the media, the EU getting pissed off something awful (and it has clout) and even then some people's lives will be badly affected? It seems so.

In fairness, only hardcore Tory/UKIP voters be like that and they aren't a majority.

I dunno. I'm pretty sure that only those groups would voice it, but I rather suspect that there's a strong undercurrent of that attitude in a majority of Brexit voters (couched in some more acceptable language perhaps).

Yes - "I'm concerned about availability of our public services" is synonymous, when you boil it down, with "get rid of the foreigns and we have school places and no waiting lists for operations", ignoring that it's government policy that has caused the issues rather than said foreigns.

kicking people out that already have a right to stay and worked

This is the pertinent point; many brexit voters did not agree that these EU citizens had a right to stay.
Brexit voters were encouraged to think that the end of Freedom of Movement meant that every 'foreigner' would be leaving.

This is where it gets hard to gauge.

Loudmouth assholes: Yeah they think that way, but empty vessels etc.
Some voters, definitely based on surveys.

Thing is: 60 or so percent of Tory voters who made up 43% of voters isn't 50%. (edit the 60% is the ones that have strong anti immigration biases when surveyed)

DUP are asses but their farming and fishing voters don't want to lose their workers.

Labour brexit voters maybe some were like this. But I don't see it adding up to a majority.

The moral cowardice though and the braying of the Tory party when it voted against making EUSS a voluntary registration speaks volumes.

Alberto de Costa is the only Tory that cares he has to work hush hush.

Dov has ideas to sort Isola export to the EU?

https://mobile.twitter.com/m_xl/status/1398312225413156869

You appear to be under the misapprehension that there's a problem. Everything's great. Just dandy. Sunlit uplands, and all that. Free trade, yay! Anyone who claims that there's a problem is just a Project Fear-loving Remoaner, and can be safely ignored/trolled.

Usual posters on this thread should have look at the current NYRB. Fintan O'Toole gets some space to express the angst. Not sure about a link but buy the paper.

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Available here for free if you sign up. Great article.

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2021/06/10/boris-johnson-king-little-england/

It is stretching credulity somewhat to deny that Ireland is a tax haven. Lux even more so.

Vestager also lost the €13bn case against Apple...

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Divisive?

I can’t be fucked with it Matt.

I was just pointing out the typo / auto correct error.

Classic remoaner ^

;-)

EU knows and is trying to change tax laws.

Of course ROI NL Lux etc. vote against, the UK has no longer any say.

I'm also not sure though how true the "brexit due to new tax laws" is.

EU knows and is trying to change tax laws

It was never going to happen while
Juncker (as architect of Lux’s tax policy) headed the commission.

I have for a long time been disappointed by the EU’s failure to crack down on aggressive tax structuring (whether through ROI, NL or Lux) - it feels like they should be perfectly positioned to prevent the ‘race to the bottom’.

Fuck off you enormous bellend

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1399804043833262088