• Em. I am not sure. The press is quite Tory and Brexit loving in England. The Cons have a 43% majority, in what sense is the Remain side being louder, bombastic and being more factually incorrect?

    The BBC is sort of reporting on Brexit downsides, but not in much detail. There is more info to be had on more specialized / technical blogs etc. But most people won't follow those, fair enough.

    It is really hard to know what to do, as people wanted different Brexits. And all those conflicted. And I am not sure if the new tradedeals won't clash with each other either...

    Personally, bank transaction tax / land tax / reform of UK voting system to STV with an English parliament and a constitution for the "overall" parliament, investment in going green really finally this time, etc. But you could do that anyway, Brexit or not.

    The EU is neither a scapegoat nor a magical fix, but now we seem to have nothing but more problems and no vision, with other countries not really needing the UK so it is a take what you get situation for trade deals.

  • Em. I am not sure. The press is quite Tory and Brexit loving in England. The Cons have a 43% majority, in what sense is the Remain side being louder, bombastic and being more factually incorrect?

    I think what we see now (43% majority) is the effect of the Remain side having previously done a poor job of making their point.

    The fact that trade with the EU is down 30% doesn't scream problem to me, instead it shows just how inflexible the EU is as a trading block.

  • The sky didn't fall in as seemed to be promised by various hysterics pre ref.

  • The fact that trade with the EU is down 30% doesn't scream problem to me, instead it shows just how inflexible the EU is as a trading block.

    Somehow the EU is getting their goods somewhere. Obviously it's not the UK so I doubt that 30% is coming back any time soon

  • The fact that trade with the EU is down 30% doesn't scream problem to me, instead it shows just how inflexible the EU is as a trading block

    Yeah this is a really annoying take on it.

    Trade is only ever completely free when there is a single market, and you can't have that without regulatory conformity (unless neither side cares about anything that might regulate what's sold in that market - which is the case in basically every developed market, as we don't like kids toys made of lead, food full of dangerous additives, etc).

    Maybe you're just trying to wind people up, but this is just a logical consequence of not wanting to be part of that single market.

    It's not as if the EU is uniquely inflexible - other places we sell to have similar rules on imports, but we just didn't use to have higher levels of trade.

  • The UK knew full there would be no exceptions as it's been in the EU and wouldn't grant any exceptions either.

    27 countries, tight legal frameworks.

    Everything offered by the EU like extensions, the backstop, all rejected.

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