• Agree that Brexit is more the frog being slowly boiled (that story is a myth btw, the frog will jump out)

    At the same time, probably breaking international agreements (the NI protocol) and threatening to do so before the Brexit deal was something nobody would predict.

    However a whole lot of the predictions are coming true... goods sales to mainland EU are down, small businesses are going bankrupt, the UK has lost soft power, there is a nasty xenophobic undercurrent to Brexit (hai, Priti Patel) with EU immigrants ending up in a Windrush v2 situation, more bickering in Northern Ireland and riots (part due to drug dealing scrum, but Brexit is putting stress on our politics which we really don't need).

    But it is ok as the house prices are going up /sarc yes.

  • I think these are really good points and we should be fighting to get this stuff into the public discourse but it's nigh on impossible when the narrative is so bombastic - and in my opinion a lot of that trash-talking has come from the side [supposedly] with the grey matter.

  • Have to agree with you there. The sensible voices on both sides were drowned out by the hyperbole.

  • Em. I am not sure. The press is quite Tory and Brexit loving in England. The Cons have a 43% majority, in what sense is the Remain side being louder, bombastic and being more factually incorrect?

    The BBC is sort of reporting on Brexit downsides, but not in much detail. There is more info to be had on more specialized / technical blogs etc. But most people won't follow those, fair enough.

    It is really hard to know what to do, as people wanted different Brexits. And all those conflicted. And I am not sure if the new tradedeals won't clash with each other either...

    Personally, bank transaction tax / land tax / reform of UK voting system to STV with an English parliament and a constitution for the "overall" parliament, investment in going green really finally this time, etc. But you could do that anyway, Brexit or not.

    The EU is neither a scapegoat nor a magical fix, but now we seem to have nothing but more problems and no vision, with other countries not really needing the UK so it is a take what you get situation for trade deals.

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