• Apologies for becoming thread killjoy but I've been thinking about environmental stuff a lot recently having had a kid and was disappointed by the lack of electric / hybrid chat on this thread. If anything it seemed to be getting more 4x4/ Subaru focused. As a cycling based forum I'd hoped for a more forward thinking consensus.

    Don't worry, I make a point of scratching big flash SUVs every time I see one.

    While some cars are more awful than others (especially pre-ULEZ diesels), all cars are terrible in various ways and pretending you can buy your way out of that by getting a hybrid or an electric or whatever is silly.

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