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  • The whole point of the Labour party is to give a voice to people that aren't big businesses - so they have the collective power to counter those influences when they're shaping peoples lives for the benefit of their pockets.
    The unions have a whip hand over Labour because they are those people - they are the members - its one of the reasons I pay my union dues - to have that influence.

  • The unions have a whip hand over Labour because they are those people - they are the members - its one of the reasons I pay my union dues - to have that influence.

    I think the unions having a voice is absolutely fair. I also think the members having a voice is fair. I think business having a voice is fair. I think the PLP having a voice is fair. I think all stakeholders should have a voice.

    However I fundamentally object to any one of those voices having the whip hand. That's how you end up in the mess we've been in for the last six years.

  • You are right, the PLP caused a lot of damage over the last 6 years.

  • business having a voice is fair.

    Businesses lobbying a political party on behalf of their shareholders interests is not comparable to unions lobbying on behalf of their (collectively, millions of) members interests.

    As several people have tried to explain to you, if Unions ‘hold the whip hand’ (oh please) it’s entirely qualified by the weight of their collective membership.

    If you don’t understand why it’s important to draw distinction between business and labour interests, TBH I’m not entirely sure you’re in the right party.

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