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  • Also, in spite of declaring that Blairism won't work, what you describe in terms of severing the ties with the unions, diminishing member democracy, talking about meritocracy, crime and antisocial behaviour is absolutely straight out of the Blairite textbook!

    It is. And the commitment to social justice is straight out of Corbyn's. Zero tolerance for antisemitism (which I didn't put in but feel strongly about) would be out of Starmer's. There's zero point going backwards, any future Labour party is going to need to take elements of previous successful administrations and some original ideas to create something new.

    Mandleson's point (that our last ten elections went lose lose lose lose blair blair blair lose lose lose) is crude but effective. Labour cannot win by going backwards but we'd be stupid to ignore history altogether.

  • Labour cannot win by going backwards but we'd be stupid to ignore history altogether.

    An examination of 2017 by Starmers team might help.

  • An examination of 2017

    • May doesn't have an ounce of charisma in her entire body.
    • May was so far ahead in the polls that she decided to put out an actively bad manifesto in order to ram through some unpopular changes. (I guarantee Boris won't make that mistake next election.)
    • Corbyn managed to hoover up the 48% anti-Brexit votes despite not really being anti-Brexit. That ship has sailed for Labour, they've lost the pro-Brexit voters.
    • The polling data is pretty ambiguous on whether the "youthquake", if it even existed, had any impact on seats.

    Not sure how relevant this is to Boris v. Starmer

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