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  • Labour's new heartlands are the cities. Represent us

    Genuine question as I don't know the answer, are there enough constituencies in this bracket to win a majority?

  • Genuine question as I don't know the answer, are there enough constituencies in this bracket to win a majority?

    Short answer, no. But there's also no majority in failing to appeal to anyone outside that bracket too. I think Labour's decline is terminal and they need to arrest it fast by changing the way the party is run. Bin off the member democracy. Bin off the unions. Bin off the Corbynites. Bin off the flag chat.

    Start talking about meritocracy. Start talking about roads / crime / antisocial behaviour / housing / the damage of Brexit. Openly argue for social justice. Make electoral pacts with the Greens, Lib Dems, SNP. Create a progressive alliance.

    I do appreciate that I'm speaking a bit fast and loose and from frustration but I do think this weekend's results show that a significant change in approach is required. Blairism won't work. Corbynism won't work. And the first attempt at Starmerism hasn't worked.

  • Bin off the member democracy. Bin off the Corbynites.

    Who's gonna knock doors/pay their subs?

    Bin off the unions.

    Who's gonna fund the party?? People seem to forget that the Labour party was founded to represent organised labour, not the other way round

    Bin off the flag chat.

    This I agree with, and potentially the progressive alliance, although that isn't exactly going to be a silver bullet

  • Also, in spite of declaring that Blairism won't work, what you describe in terms of severing the ties with the unions, diminishing member democracy, talking about meritocracy, crime and antisocial behaviour is absolutely straight out of the Blairite textbook!

  • Make electoral pacts with the Greens, Lib Dems, SNP. Create a progressive alliance.

    The big plus with this is that it is the best hope we would probably ever have of getting meaningful electoral reform through and rebalancing the system

  • Bin off the member democracy

    I've said this somewhere on this thread (or a similar one). I think, as nice as it is, the member democracy is a hurdle to being elected. Their concerns often don't seem to match the general electorate's and it sometimes pushes the party in difficult directions.

    For instance I'd say it was clear pretty early that Corbyn needed to go but with the members as they were this didn't happen.

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