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  • No, it really doesn't ignore that.

    What's the point of a Labour party with a socially conservative and fiscally centre/conservative agenda? There is a previously Labour voting block out there that has now realised it can get that from the party with Conservative writ large in it's actual name. The fact that Tory fiscal policy has been forced centre this past year(s) along with other superficially progressive agendas means Labour is obsolete if it wants to squeeze onto the centre ground. The votes aren't going to come from the aging Tory vote from 2019.

  • I'm not saying labour should emulate Tory policies - of course there has to be differentiation.

    I'm saying that there is zero evidence in my lifetime of a further left labour party commanding enough public support to win an election.

    They have to differentiate themselves from the Tories, sure - of course they do - but I don't know where you think this left voting bloc is that will put them into power. There just aren't enough voters who want that, as shown every time it is tried.

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