Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

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KamikazeMongoose in reply to @Alex_B

Cheers, think I'm going to have to pass on the Outback due to budget. Was going to get the Kona but the LBS told me 13kg so I held fire. Now looking at the Condor Bivio potentially but again budget and delays... wonder if the Brother Mehteh is the go or is the Croix de Fer 30 worth settling on (11.44kg)?

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Netakure in reply to @KamikazeMongoose

If you care about weight why buying a steel frame at all?
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Fforiwr in reply to @KamikazeMongoose

Have you looked at Spa Cycles Elan?

https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m11b0s143p4590/SPA-CYCLES-Elan-725-Frame-and-Forks

Looks like they're getting new colours in stock this year too. Edit: added full build option.

https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m1b0s223p3553/SPA-CYCLES-Elan-725-%28105-11-Speed-Hydraulic%29
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tb in reply to @KamikazeMongoose

Genesis CdF seem to be out of stock until 2022 in most places. If you're not averse to building a bike up I'd go with @Fforiwr 's suggestion of a Spa Cycles Elan (though you might have to look high and low for some parts).
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Maj in reply to @KamikazeMongoose

at risk of being a "get this totally different thing person", might be worth considering an alloy cx bike? especially if weight is a concern, along with longer rides day rides?

most take 35-40c, easily built sub 10kg, big tyres make them more than compliant, can be had for next to nothing because they're terribly unfashionable. love a good steel gravel bike, but between all the ones i've ridden none were light/ exciting for a mixed surface day ride, often found my alloy caadx done that a bit better.