• I had (sold some time ago) a 120mm ITM Krystal to which I fitted a PMP Ti draw bolt. The stem weighed 184g on my scale. The Krystal I found pretty flexible. I preferred the 3t Pro Chrome, although I never weighed that.

    A quick google suggests Ti cycles offer a Ti draw bolt in M8. Other stems worth looking for although they may not appeal are WR Compositi and Syntace

  • The stem tube of the Krystal does seem quite dainty compared to the Grammo, that's why I like the look of it.
    I mostly ride my Peugeot with a 105mm Cinelli XA stem and a Scott Foil with a Vision Metron 5D combo bar and stem, I wonder how the Krystal would compare with 80s and 20teenies tech.
    I already have the Ti-classics draw bolt, it saves 15-20 grams.
    Funny you should mention the WR Compositi stem, I just came across it a few moments ago, that would actually look perfect on my build, it's going to be matte carbon, gloss black and shiny metal.

    It's going to be a challenge to locate and afford one of these quill stems. I'm curious to know how much they weigh, should be in Ti-quill territory.

    Their ahead stems are more available but they are too heavy for my build at 150 grams (120mm). I am considering the quill adapter route but to match those titanium quill stems' weight, I need a stem that weighs below 100 grams. Most good looking clamp on stems are are >140 grams . The lighter ones have less attractive bolts and lumps everywhere.

    Edit: weight = 164 grams according to this list: https://sheldonbrown.com/rinard/weights.htm#stems

    That is my perfect stem if I can get hold of one

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