• The number of patents Shimano have for products they've actually released is far exceeded by the number of patents they have for things they've never released.

    oh yeah for sure.

    It's interesting though that this one shows removable batteries. The patents seen late last year for what looks like a 12 speed road groupset didn't have removable batteries yet this one does. I'd thought there was some Sram patent issue stopping Shimano having removable batteries on the mechs. The piezoelectrics seems to be present in both of these too and they must have worked with a fork manufacturer for the electronic damping control.

    Theres no denying they have a metric tonne of patents that never see the light of day but I suspect this one will. Given their competitor sram has fully wireless groupsets and sram are clearly pushing a shift towards electric shifting through the tiers, GX AXS now and Rival AXS is apparently coming soon.

    But who knows? I'd certainly like to see fully wireless shimano.

  • But who knows? I'd certainly like to see fully wireless shimano.

    I'm not sold. It's easier to build and looks cleaner but comes with some other issues. Even on a really basic level, the limiting factor for my mate's tyre size is his front mech battery not frame clearance.

  • There is no wireless FD. MTB 1x and on the road not many people are running huge tyres.

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