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but have the utmost respect for some dumb senate conventions when it comes to legislating for people to have a wage they can actually live on. Great people.
What would have happened if the Dems somehow fired the person who made that call and overrode the "dumb conventions"? Would the recovery bill have made it through both houses?
Really struggling to get my head around this idea that it is acceptable for any government to abandon their own laws and guidelines to push something through.
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What would have happened if the Dems somehow fired the person who made that call and overrode the "dumb conventions"? Would the recovery bill have made it through the senate?
Political precedent. IIRC it has happened before, but only when the parlamentarían was being useless/obstructionist. There are certain lines that change the game once they’re crossed, this is a small example of one.
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I’m not saying fire the parliamentarian. I’m saying their advice is literally that - advisory. Harris, as VP, can overrule, and then the senate would need a supermajority to overturn that overruling. This isn’t illegal and it doesn’t break any of the rules. It may not be in the “spirit of the rules” but the the filibuster was never designed to be a block to all legislation without a supermajority so fuck the spirit of the rules.
The recovery bill would easily clear congress (it already did) and then it would be down to Manchin and Sinema to decide how politically expedient it would be for them to throw the entire recovery bill out of the window in order to oppose this measure. It would also be down to the Biden admin to come down on Manchin and Sinema to say to them “you oppose this and we will fuck you”.
The senate rules are a fucking Rube Goldberg machine designed to make it impossible to legislate anything. There is a way around them. Dems should take it. Thinking that these conventions are more important than people being paid a wage that doesn’t put them below the poverty line for a full week’s work is madness.
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No government should be bound by previous governments, or even by itself.
Eseman
Eejit
NotThamesWater
And without congressional approval either. So Dems perfectly willing to run roughshod over the constitution in order to launch airstrikes (which, reports say, killed 0 Iranians and 22 Syrians), but have the utmost respect for some dumb senate conventions when it comes to legislating for people to have a wage they can actually live on. Great people.